The Trump administration will undoubtedly appeal, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court. But for now, millions of people across the country will not have to make hard choices about how to feed themselves and their families. Several states that had already declared emergencies to tackle the impending crisis will have at least some temporary relief.
Those shitheads haven’t listened to any judges yet, they aren’t starting now. SCrOTUS let the orange cancer be above the law.
The only positive thing is that this will hurt MAGAts more. They’ll get to experience what they voted for. Thankfully my blue state has already started shuffling funding toward feeding people here.
The way this admin wields power reminds me of one of my favorite video game quotes.
“It’s not a cudgel you barbarian…” -Cortana
So how is the judiciary expected to enforce this?
At the very least, maybe there will be a few people whose echo chambers ring with “it’s the dems fault”, who will hear this and finally start to think.
Presidential elections hinge on one or two percent of voters do every little bit helps
Not sure, but it does give Republicans an additional roadblock in their propaganda campaign to blame Democrats.
If people do start going hungry, the GOP might not like the reaction they get from some people in their own base.
Because there are no consequences for his crimes and lawlessness, 42 million Americans are now without the food support they need.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-defies-court-snap-ruling
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/01/millions-lose-food-aid-snap-trump-shutdown-00632404
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This is good, because people won’t go hungry
This is bad, because concessions and breadcrumbs like this will prevent people from overthrowing this tyrant
Then people lacking long term health care - like Luigi - will be better soldiers than starving people.
Looks like he’s ignoring it
They will appeal to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will sign in their favor, meanwhile they will not spend any money.
They need a temporary restraining order in order to do that. Do they have one? I haven’t seen it in any stories yet.
I don’t think I understand the question. A judge ordered Trump to do something. Trump does not have to do any of that, because he appealed. I’m not sure entirely how this process works… But I can guarantee you zero money will be spent on snap until the Supreme Court makes its decision. If the Supreme Court makes the decision that Trump has to support snap, Trump will still not support snap. No one is going to reach into the pocket of the government and pull out the money. It is just not going to happen. Every single thing that you see is just a puppet show.
Not arguing your conclusion, but to answer the question regarding the question
Just appealing a ruling doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to follow the ruling. He still has to follow the ruling until a judge, any judge involved in the case, says that he doesn’t have to follow the ruling as either a temporary stay of said ruling or a permanent judgement.
So if he doesn’t do as ordered (and I agree that he won’t) he is 100% in violation of the law AND the judge’s orders.
But also he’s immune to prosecution for official acts, so why should Trump give a shit about any of that?
I guess we gotta kill him
What does “following the ruling” even look like? Does Trump have to cut a check for it? Is there some bureaucrat who pushes some buttons on a computer? Who will make either of those things happen? The courts have no enforcement arm. Congress has no enforcement arm. We’re relying on American humans to follow the rules and I have given up hope on that happening.
The judge ordered the administration to report back by Sunday or Monday night with plans on how it would happen.
Actually two different judges in different states ruled this same way with the same requirement.
But… you know he has no intention of doing what a judge says, and there is nothing anyone can do—besides end trump’s life violently—to stop him.
You keep saying that but I don’t see you doing anything. Stop trying to convince people to do something you don’t want to do yourself
Brand new account and they keep posting doomer shit. Best to block/ignore.
Why? Why should I stop doing anything? Sure, I don’t have the skills to accomplish that job – But there are many people who do and just need that extra push. I do my fair share of things within my competence, but confessing those things on the Internet is a dumb idea.
What it comes down to is you don’t want him to be dead. You enjoy what’s going on. You want it to continue. You’re a fed simp.
I don’t want to see you get someone stupid out in jail. Anyone who has the skills is not going to be listening to you. I have the skills and I think you’re stupid for saying that. I’m not going to do it because he’s not exactly thriving in life as it is. I’m pretty sure we can just wait it out.
Then Democrats need to be on top of the messaging and make sure that everyone knows who is directly responsible for their hunger.
So I’m not super optimistic…
Yeah we are fucked. The world is not going in a good direction. And it doesn’t that schadenfreude is so rampant.
Are you sure Newsome won’t throw a couple snarky tweets out there? That’s about all they have to offer at this point 😐
At some point I expect the admin to admit they already spent the money. What will the courts do then?
That wouldn’t do anything at all. The government simply spends money into existence. If the judge tells them to pay SNAP, then they magic the money into existence.
The federal government cannot run out of money, it can only increase inflation.
No that just opens opportunity for more delay by saying “the right thing”. At that point MAGAts can say they cant spend money Congress hasn’t allocated, and is blocked on the shutdown.
In this case the executive does have a certain amount of money already allocated by Congress that they can spend to support critical government functions. Part of that was explicitly allocated to fund SNAP in case of a shutdown. But they’re also making choices like spending billions on ice and border patrol to terrorize dark skinned people and to suppress voting. Are those really critical government functions? Should they really be higher priority than keeping citizens from starving?
Thats….not how any of this works.
That is how fiat currency works.
Ok, who are the “them” and “they” in this scenario? And how do “they” relate to the Federal Reserve?
I mean it’s someone’s job to approve and allocate the funds month to month. I doubt they’re getting payed right now, though…
So then it’s not “how fiat currency works”.
The Treasury (they) creates Treasury Bills and gives them to the Federal Reserve to sell on the open market. The proceeds of these sales are deposit in government accounts to be spent according to appropriations created by Congress.
How’s it work then?
Nothing. It will have been a “presidential duty” immune from consequences, as ordained by the bootlickers in the SCrOTUS.
I’m sure at some point a judge ordered Hitler to stop killing Jews.
Hitler literally got a law passed so that a judge couldn’t block him from doing anything. So until Trump has his Reischtag fire and declares a state of emergency it’s not really comparable.
Passed shortly after Hitler became Chancellor, the Act effectively transferred significant legislative authority from the Reichstag (the German parliament) to Hitler and his cabinet, allowing them to enact laws without parliamentary consent. The Act also permitted amendments to the constitution and control over the national budget. Despite its ostensibly reassuring language regarding the roles of the president and parliament, the Enabling Act fundamentally undermined democratic governance in Germany.
We already had the “official acts” SCOTUS ruling instead.
The ruling which states that SCOTUS itself is the final arbiter of what constitutes an “official act.” So if (lol) there’s ever a non-GOP president again, SCOTUS has the ability to take away Presidential Immunity whenever asked to rule on a relevant case. A neat trick that everyone seemed to forget during the Biden admin.
Bluntly, if I somehow became president, I would ignore the SCROTUS and remove most of its members. Then force reforms and expansions, then put the question to them: “Should select presidents have immunity for official acts?” If the new court doesn’t fix the issue, then replace SCROTUS again, until they see bloody sense and become a proper SCOTUS. It is dumb and brutish, but the times might call for being a jackass. 😒
The Constitution is a good idea, but we clearly have to update the systems it laid out - they assumed the branches would compete, and can’t really account for modern realities like the size of the US and technology. Unfortunately, we will need lots of power to force corrections onto an elite establishment that relies on bad design.
IMO, the ‘mid’ outcome of revolution is a strongman transitioning us from dictatorship back to full democracy. Hopefully we get the ‘good’ timeline, where democracy improves itself for the better without a bully’s mindset. The ‘bad’ outcome is everything Thiel and friends want.
There’s no fire. He just paid a bunch of people to tear down the white house.
Sure, he’ll probably blame Dems
To be fair, Congress has all but abdicated their responsibility to check the executive branch, and the courts have no enforcement mechanism. So it’s not all that different, in effect.
Sorry, but that attitude is exactly why they keep gaining ground. That argument is propaganda that JD Vance and Adrian Vermule (the modern Carl Schmitt who is fucking obsessed with the OG Carl Schmitt) have been trying to promote for quite some time.
First it was JD Vance claiming that judges don’t have the authority to overrule a president’s executive authority. It’s not that JD Vance graduated from Yale without ever learning about checks and balances. It’s that he went on TV, and used his position of authority to state a lie that this administration needs to be true. When judges kept overruling Trump and using the legal system to undo much of the shit that he did, it back peddled to well he’s just going to take it to the supreme court anyway.
While that’s true, it’s turned into the Trump administration being bogged down with hundreds of lawsuits. While the supreme court is corrupt as fuck, it takes time for them to actually hear cases and make a decision. So claiming that judges and congress don’t still act as speed bumps to Trump’s evil plans is frankly bullshit.
If we can make it another year and prevent him from cancelling or rigging the elections, then we can take the house back and begin actually investigating some of this bullshit. This time next year the propaganda will be back to the standard: Your vote doesn’t really count, or why bother voting because both sides are the same. Just ignore the fact that some people are willing to work very hard and dump millions into propaganda campaigns discouraging voting, and rigging the law to make sure voting is made as difficult as possible.
Best we have is Civil Contempt. It’s different than criminal contempt, which can be pardoned by the President and must be enforced throught the executive or the Marshalls service. A judge can appoint anyone to enforce civil contempt rulings, including someone who doesn’t report to the federal executive.
Lots of people’s don’t understand the difference between civil and criminal, and a automatically assume criminal is always stronger. But civil is a lot more flexible because civil and criminal have different goals and remedies.
Criminal penalties are punishment for committing crimes. People think of murder and theft, but by far the most common criminal convictions are traffic violations. You get caught speeding and you have to pay a pre-defined penalty or take a driver’s ed class or whatever. For the most part, criminal convictions can result in fines, imprisonment, or execution.
Civil is different. Civil cases aren’t seeking punishment - they’re seeking relief. That is, in a Civil case, the Court can make you do something or stop doing that thing.
For an easy example that I run into pretty often in municipal government, I’ll highlight the difference between Civil and criminal cases for the same offense: building a fence past your property line into the public right-of-way.
When I take someone to court in that case, I can go criminal or civil (or both).
If I take them to criminal court, the judge can make them pay a fine. But the judge can’t make them remove the fence. We can issue separate citations every day and have 14 charges on the docket each week, but that’s it. There are some billionaires in some areas who actually build illegal fences and just pay the $500/day in fines because money isn’t an object to them.
But when I take them to civil court, the city isn’t seeking punishment for what they’ve done - it’s seeking relief. That is, instead of a fine, the judge can order that the fence be removed, and (and this is the big point) that if it ISN’T removed after the order the judge can appoint someone else to go on the property and forcefully remove it.
We actually have a case in my city where we’re have a court-appointed third-party private firm preparing to tear down a large part of house that cost 9 figures because the owner is refusing to carry out the judge’s order regarding their illegal construction. The judge didn’t want to put the city in charge because the impact on property tax revenue of tearing down such an expensive piece of property might convince the city to turn a blind eye.
When an order isn’t obeyed, a judge can appoint someone to carry out the ruling, and unlike in a federal criminal case which requires that the judge appoint the Marshall’s Office, a civil ruling specifically doesn’t have that restriction on the judge.
I’m not sure if that’s true or not.
Hitler essentially stripped out all Jewish sympathy from the german legal system almost as soon as he took power.
There were several legal challenges, especially against the concentration camps. They were quite close to succeeding
Trump’s legal troubles are very similar, especially is regards to their shared attempts to overthrow the government (although Hitler lost and received a stern slap on the wrist)
Don’t give ideas to pedonald.
The Trump administration will undoubtedly appeal, possibly all the way to the Supreme Court.
That’s gonna be a good look for them. /s
Doesn’t matter how it looks. Cult members won’t care, trump will ignore the order, people will starve.
The cruelty is literally the whole point. This administration is evil.
I don’t think they’re even going to bother to appeal as much as they’re just going to ignore a court order… again.
Not much a kangaroo court can really do but make noise anyhow.
The cult is basically irrelevant. Their loyalty is guaranteed, like you said.
I’m more interested in what the other 2/3rds of the country will do.
Nothing. They might throw some more peaceful protests. Woo.
I think actual hunger could be a big motivator. Might not happen at first, but the longer that parents have to go hungry so their kids can eat, the more motivated people will get.
It’s not like USAmericans are just inherently meek and peaceful. I don’t think the protests stay peaceful if there’s no food at home.
$5 says those that get violent will get violent at the wrong targets.
A police station was burned down in 2020. Several CEOs have been shot since 2024.
I expect violence will happen to a lot of different targets, some undeserving, some deserving.
Oh, nice!
I bet some will care. And some is all you need. A few here and there from the things this administration does will make all the difference
This is an excellent point. Trump brought out 77.3 million votes for his coalition. Meanwhile, 75.0m voted Harris, and 3.0 million voted third party (mix of ideologies, not all would-be Harris votes). Add to that 90+ million non-voters, which probably has some fraction of the 6 or so million voters who voted for Biden in 2020 who didn’t turn out for Harris. Convince 29k people in Wisconsin, 80k in Michigan, 120k in Pennsylvania, and like 45k in Nevada to turn out for Harris, and we’re not having this conversation right now. We don’t need all the cult to switch votes. Frankly, 1% swapping or 2% actually turning out is all we need. And people dooming about how set the Trumpers are seem to be working more to depress enthusiasm amongst Blue Team players than actually save democracy.
Okay so we get another squeaker election where the Democrats win. The Republicans will say that it was faked and wrong, spend the rest of the time complaining, and those 45k in Nevada and 120k in PA will flip back and we’ll be right back to where we are, or probably worse.
Why? Because that’s what’s happened every election of my goddamned life and it’s never going to change, no matter how many people die of starvation because a wire transfer wasn’t made.
Apathetic bloody planet. I’ve no sympathy at all.
We’re already starting to see populist progressive candidates overtake DNC Democrats.
Cynicism aside, if you don’t see a path out of this: Pretend for a second that we can get enough people into congress to have a functioning congressional body.
A properly led Congress has standing and capability required to sue the Executive branch and force it to follow the law across thousands of issues that are being created by it refusing the follow the law. The congress also has the capability to impeach and remove Supreme Court Justices, btw.
In addition, the “Power of the Purse” is not just a Schoolhouse Rock meme. Democrats in congress are already cutting off all funding for the government by refusing to pass a CR. They can keep refusing to do that until a budget is passed that includes, at the very least, not removing even more of the social safety net in canceling healthcare insurance subsidies.
This shutdown is already starting to turn public perception against the Republicans, rapidly. A huge amount of government workers, who are working without pay, are suddenly getting ‘sick’. Airplanes can’t fly if we don’t have air traffic controllers, the mail can’t move if we don’t have postal workers and during the holidays not having air travel or mail is kind of a big deal.
ICE and federal law enforcement are currently getting paid out of a fund that was appropriated specifically to pay them during a shutdown, but that fund is not infinite and eventually even ICE agents will stop receiving a paycheck. I’m sure some will work for the love of the game, but I don’t think all of them will. It’s also hard to keep arresting and deporting people if you can’t buy gasoline, electricity, jet fuel or take off from commercial air ports. Money is kind of important for these operations and money has to get through Congress first.
A President who has no workers to carry out his will is pretty powerless. He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act against the coming public backlash. I think he will find that there will be serious morale problems if he tries to deploy the US Military domestically. Everyone knows that this is illegal and they also know that the justification is bullshit. In the end, the enlisted of the US Military are just regular people who are working the best job that they could find. This won’t be a great outcome, should it occur, but I know a lot of current and former enlisted service members and while some of them are partisan on topics that they find outrageous, they are patriots and understand that the seriousness of their role is more important than worry about trans people playing sports.
This is why there is a huge battle to control Congress. Because as much as the Supreme Court immunized Trump against prosecution, they did not literally make him a King and in the US system of government Congress is not powerless despite being currently held impotent by sycophants.
You better fucking vote.
I’ve been voting this entire time. Didn’t stop any of this shit from happening.
I only do it so I’m allowed to complain about how stupid this entire country and all its people are.
Partly correct, but he doesn’t have control because of his cult. A lot of people supported him who aren’t part of it. A lot of those people are poor, and will be directly harmed from this. Before he argued (using government websites illegally sometimes) that Democrats caused this. You can’t really do that when you appeal a court order that says it must be funded. It puts it squarely on Trump. The word just needs to get to these people that this is what’s happening.
But the word won’t get to those people. They’ll only listen to FOX News or OAN.
The people know that snap is only for antifa and illegal immigrants though so that sucks
So there’s obviously a back and forth on the legal side, but presumably people are right now getting the funds when they go buy food, right? It says “will not have to make hard choices” but doesn’t specifically say there’s money for them right NOW.
Yeah, there’s no money. Appealing will stop the funding, and for some reason USDA said it takes “weeks” to get the SNAP debit cards reloaded. https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5583746-when-will-snap-ebt-cards-be-reloaded-delays-still-possible-despite-judges-rulings/
So hard choices are back on the menu.
Hard choices seem to be the menu
I would expect the opposite. Typically courts will maintain the status quo while an appeal is ongoing, and here the status quo is that food stamps are working.
Except that the bureaucrats actually moving the money are still under Trump’s control, and are perfectly capable of slow-walking the implementation of the judge’s order, if not ignoring it entirely.
The judge’s order says that the money is supposed to go out. In the current atmosphere of unchecked corruption and tyranny, that is far from a guarantee that it actually will.
Some states gave some funds to EBT cards. Some didn’t.
