I don’t believe in boycotts working. Boycott this anyway.

Or better yet if someone you know wants to watch it pirate it and give them a copy.

No worries. Yeah, I have been a reluctant adopter of the technology. I honestly didn’t really buy much of the hype until Claude code and some of the better models came along.

Even frontier models screw up on their first, second, and even third tries at times. The insight that Anthropic really had was realizing that they needed to be allowed to chat with themselves in a loop, fail in a loop, and that they’re much better if you apply objective standards to the projects (things like unit tests of course, but also integration tests, static code analysis, etc).

The harness is really the thing. Even OpenCode in my experience can produce things that are fairly decent.

That’s where I think both initial implementations of code helpers (i.e., a vanilla “chat box” with “tools”, and “agentic workflows” that try to one-shot everything) that were made in the initial round of “doing AI” are effectively useless garbage that should be buried like radioactive waste.

If you don’t prod it, Claude will also spit out worthless crap that doesn’t work at all too. The key is to add all of the plumbing that reasonable projects have (code formatters, linters, etc. etc. forever) and to add gating so that Claude can cycle away getting it wrong and then correcting itself until it gets it right.

EDIT: More relatedly to this thread, I don’t think I would have any problem with some type of high school elective course where kids could use claude code or something like it to try to write some software. It’s pretty likely that there are some kids already doing so in their free time. I came of age in a similar era for technology in general, and I took three or four electives where I was doing things with computers and it was helpful. About the only argument against it I can think of is a practical one…I don’t think school IT departments are ready for the havoc the kids could potentially unleash with this stuff, and it could be that they do not have the staff necessary to support its usage.

Where’s the protest / riot?

I’m not sure why you don’t see the value though.

I’m not sure why me “seeing the value” or “not seeing the value” has anything to do with this.

If the market rewards such experience, why should it not be taught?

Oh ok so now kids need to be taught a curriculum based upon what the stock market says. Sure buddy.

Is that not the purpose of school? To prepare kids to work?

That’s actually not the purpose of school, but I’m sure that’s what you think the purpose of school is, and I’m not going to be able to persuade you in this or any other thread that you’re wrong.

Just go back to hacker news or reddit already with the other “free market” scumbags and leave me alone.

As for it being “dead simple to use” I guess that means you have no idea how AI works.

Oh I’m sorry I’m not linked up to AI with a neural netted chip in my brain. I use them by typing words into a chatbot window unlike you, Royal AI wizard. I’m so glad you took the time out of your day to communicate with me, a mere peasant.

Even people making them, the best in the field, still aren’t using LLMs to the best of their capacity.

Lol dude these things have already sucked up enough dollars and rivers that they don’t need your tongue bath too.

And lemmy is thriving because individuals like you and me gave enough of a fuck to shift over to this place.

I dunno about thriving, but it’s here and it’s kinda sorta close enough to Reddit that I don’t use Reddit anymore. But Reddit still exists. Similarly, GTA 6 will probably break sales records whether I buy it or not.

The other thing is that conceptualizing it as “voting with your dollars” points out the problem straightforwardly. Some people have millions/billions/trillions to vote with.

It’s not about “knowing about AI”. I’m sure many kids can and do use it already to cheat. It’s about what you’re teaching kids when they’re in school. What place does it have in grade school learning? I’d argue zero. Apparently, Mamdani agrees.

Unless you’re campaigning to teach grade schoolers how to train their own language models I don’t see what value teaching kids to use products actually has. It’s fucking dead simple to use. You don’t even have to be able to read.

You should be able to think critically before using it. And using it doesn’t help you think critically at all, it tries to constantly tell you that you’re the most special little user in the whole world.

Again, I use it daily. Its use is unnecessary in a grade school classroom. Not everything on earth needs to be part of a grade school curriculum.

Industry should be in quotes instead of AI.

We’re all just basically waiting to be shot for having the tenacity to leave our houses.

Eh.

No. But I do feel slightly bad about it.

Don’t have kids I guess? 🤷

Dude, use it daily. Grade schoolers do not need “expertise”. Also why are you in fuck AI rimming AI so hard?

Dude, I use LLMs daily as a developer. There’s practically nothing about using them that can’t be taught in like an hour once you’re an adult. You definitely don’t need to develop a dependency on them in grade school.

I mean, you asked.

The scammer-in-chief

Come on, we have our very own trillionaire!

Wtf does a kid need to learn about AI?

It’s a fucking chatbot. Even as someone that uses it regularly for work there was very little to learn about it. If you learn how to type from your days as an iPad kid, or how to talk from listening to your parents berate each other, you already know everything necessary to use AI to cheat your way out of ever having to learn anything.

You’re already in school. Why not try learning a thing or two first to see if you hate it enough to never do it again?

Who cares? The maps are so bad that if you followed them you probably already drove into lake Ontario/America/Tim Apple.

I’m of a split mind about this one. On one hand it seems like an accidental thing, on the other Trump makes such a big deal out of meaningless bullshit on a regular basis that I’m persuaded to be temporarily braindead and say keep the rabbles rousing.

You’re either going to work with it or be out of the game forever

Good. I hate the fucking game and its players.

But that negating the importance of individual action can actually disempower people from taking their part in collective action. Like it never gets off the ground because every individual just goes “well I’m just one person, so…”

Everyone pushes that viewpoint. What’s the real choice here? Let’s just look at this individual issue and pretend it’s not connected to a larger problem of our government being endlessly corrupt and complicit in the non-stop caveat emptor that pervades everything. The choice is don’t buy the fun toy while all of your friends do and every time they talk about the fun toy being fun you either relate to them less or actively become the debby downer that lectures everyone about why you didn’t buy the fun toy.

I guess that was even kind of abstract, but if you’re a gamer and are friends with other gamers they will likely buy this game and play it without you. They’ll have fun playing it without you, and you get the great choice of saying “no i haven’t bought that yet” and being vague and missing out, or lecturing them and risk being categorized as a negative nancy.

Either way your individual choice does little to solve the problem, because other individuals individually ignore it. And honestly, owning games is somewhat inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

You aren’t individually choosing your way out of these things. Other people exist. And unless you’re Elon fucking Musk, your individual preferences will likely not move the needle.

The only real answers are not individual choices and nagging. They’re collectivism and politics. Sorry for the inconvenience but it’s true.

The people opposing you understand this. It’s why Sony is a corporation. It’s why Republicans need megachurches. Collectivism is the only thing that works.

Edit: Look man I’m here on lemmy and never use Reddit. Reddit still exists. My individual choices do not move the needle.