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Cake day: July 18th, 2023

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  • I visited Chicago. Took a tour of Wrigley Field (where the Cubs play) and spent a little time in Wrigleyville (the surrounding area). I went to a White Sox game that evening (where my Blue Jays were playing). I got into a conversation with a gentleman in the seat behind me. He was talking disparagingly of the White Sox and I pointed that out, and he said “Oh I hate the White Sox. I’m only here because this is a free seat and a work outing.” The stands were very empty in the stadium. I don’t know if they offered stadium tours. I came away with the impression that the White Sox were a littler brother to the Cubs in Chicago than the Clippers are to the Lakers the or Mets are to the Yankees. So, if I was guessing, I’d guess a person affiliated with Chicago would be a Cubs fan if they’re a supporter of an MLB team in that city










  • I don’t really avoid non-vegan food topics because they’re triggering to me. I might have for the first 6 months or so I was vegan, when my newfound vegan anguish or vystopia was really fresh.

    But now, seeing someone eat meat or talk about how much they like meat products doesn’t affect me much. I know that 100 million or so sentient beings are being killed each and every day after being confined to cramped, cruel, and unhygienic environments all their lives - and it’s killing the planet and causing humans to be on cardio metabolic drugs all their lives. All of this is propped up and protected by big money through ag-gag laws, government subsidies, ridiculous advertising budgets, and lobbying against vegan meats.

    I find it saddening to be around chicken restaurants, because I know chickens are treated very inhumanely. I dislike any imaging of say a chicken offering up a bucket of fried chicken.

    I avoid talking about non-vegan food and being in non-vegan-friendly environments because I don’t want to participate in those types of events. I might have a good amount of things in common with someone who’s non-vegan, but talking to them about meat focuses our interaction on things I don’t share with them at all and in fact think less of them for it (e.g., what is behind their daily cruelty to sentient beings - unintelligence, denial, a desire to fit in). Often some guilt or defensiveness in them upon learning that I don’t share their indifference to the suffering of non-human animals is the first thing that’s noticeable. I’ll steer conversations back to things we have in common.

    People who are genuinely curious about eating less non-human animal products have very different vibes. And I always try to welcome them where they’re at.




  • It’s a form of ‘othering’, which is an attempt to portray something (we don’t associate with) as fundamentally different or alien.

    It probably stems from their cognitive dissonance, as in you’re eating cruelty-free and they’re not, so it helps them resolve any mental tension about their cruelty-containing diet by painting yours as strange.

    If I were in your shoes, I’d sort out what I make of their behaviour. Are they good-naturedly adjusting to a family member making a lifestyle change or are they trolling. If I felt they were trolling, I’d do the opposite of what they’re doing. I would insist on labelling everything that is naturally vegan, “A vegan [food item, like watermelon]” and correct them each time, etc. To push it a step further, which would likely be too trolling for my tastes, call non-vegan things something like “animal cruelty [food item, like pumpkin break]”

    Being vegan - interacting with omnivores and their denialism, projections, etc. - gets much easier with time.

    Edit: Another approach would be to non-judgementally ask them about it, which might help them discover their own motivations and feelings around the issue. “I notice you’re prefixing, and I’d like to understand why you feel the need to do that better. Can you tell me a little more about what’s going on for you?”











  • So, obviously I’m not suggesting that the garbage bags of deceased chickens OP commenter saw on a jog are a primary driver of the spread of avian flu across the world/NA.

    Wildlife X captive non-human animal interactions are critical links in the transmission of avian flu. Hotbeds of mass-contained immunologically naive non-human animals (e.g., factory farms) play an important role in mutation and spread as well.

    The big picture is that with the increasing threat of pandemic-scale zoonotic disease we need, at minimum, stricter biosecurity in industrial non-human animal agriculture. It is an industry that contributes the greatest zoonotic risk. However, it is also industry that litigiously shields itself from oversight (i.e., ag-gag laws) and has a ton of $$$ lobby power. Also, the incoming US administration couldn’t look more incompetent

    Less non-human animal agriculture would be even better