“Every previous president would have ended it by now.”
“Biden literally couldn’t do worse.”
(based on my observations) Hexbear users’ typical response is absolutely authoritarian, just extreme left flavor of it.
You can’t, however, build a reasonable discourse with an absolutist pro-authoritarian type, no matter how hard you try. And it’s no wonder they are going for the authoritarian representative one way or another.
Id argue its not left at all. Simping for authoritarian regimes from the east that mask themselves behind pretty images/words of workers’ governments doesnt hand the means of production to the working class, and it most certainly implies one is not so very keen on establishing a classless, cashless, stateless society. They call themselves a dictatorship of the proletariat, but all the emphasis goes on the first part.
Lmao, I had a chat with a couple of these folks. Keep taunting them and burying them when they step out of their echo chambers. The whole “both sides” and “I’m gonna piss away my vote on a 3rd party in 2 party system” schtick couldn’t be any more hollow than it is this year.
Biden sucks. Trump is a blight on this earth. Like it or not, you get those two choices, and the literal fuckin Nazis and the scum that break bread with them are really motivated to get their dictator “for a day” back in.
What do you believe is the underlying set of values and principles guiding Hexbear?
What do you believe the goals of people on Hexbear are?
Is it possible to analyze the beliefs that lead them to the conclusions they have, so as to better argue against them, than to call them MAGA supporters?
I myself will probably be voting Biden, for transparency, but this meme is just a gross misunderstanding of how disaffected leftists, and Marxists in general, operate, and why.
The creeps on Hexbear aren’t leftists. I’ve never come across a coherent and useful definition of “leftist” that includes them.
Why do you say that? They oppose Capitalism, colonialism, Imperialism, and bigotry. They support Socialism, Communism, and Anarchism. They read Marx, Lenin, and Goldman, and share memes based on Marxist theory.
On what grounds do you decide that they aren’t leftists? Is it because you disagree with their stances, as a presumed leftist, therefore anyone you disagree with cannot be a leftist? Is it because you think they are bad people, and bad people can’t be leftists? Is it just vibes?
What is your coherent and useful definition of leftism? We can compare Hexbear’s stated goals and see if it lines up better with leftism or rightism.
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straight up bad jacketing. cointelpro.
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Being a leftist requires one to oppose capitalism.
Leninism is a blatantly capitalist system that pretends otherwise.
Also, they don’t oppose bigotry. Once someone from Hexbear said that Hexbear was more pro-trans than any trans space was, and their fellows seemed to agree with them. Paying lip service to anti-bigotry does not mean one is not an ignorant bigot to the core.
Edit: there are other problems with what you said, but frankly, I’m not going to waste my time addressing every part of the gish-Gallup.
Hexbear is anticapitalist. Like I already stated, they are Marxists and Anarchists, and oppose Capitalism.
Marxism-Leninism is not Capitalist. You don’t have to agree with it being a good idea, or support it, but to pretend that advocating for a worker state and elimination of the bourgeois class is somehow Capitalist is anti-Marxist, not just anti-Lenin.
Hexbear does oppose bigotry. It’s a bannable offense there. Some of the largest trans spaces on Lemmy are on Hexbear, so trans people agreeing that it is a good trans space doesn’t somehow indicate that they are actually pro-bigotry, that’s absurd.
Is it all just vibes from you?
Edit for your Edit: what problems are there with what I’ve said? Do you think a group of right-wingers are reading Marx and supporting trans people for shits and giggles?
What part of refusing to engage with a gish-gallop is difficult to understand?
Let’s talk about one thing: MLs aren’t socialists. And stalinists (the loudest part of Hexbear) definitely aren’t socialists. Capitalism is defined by the employee-employer relationship. MLism enshrines this relationship, and turns the state into a universal employer. That makes MLism a capitalist ideology by definition.
It wasn’t gish-gallop, I had a clear set of questions to ask, to which you ignored.
MLs are Socialists. Stalinists are also Socialists. You do not have to agree with them, in any way, but pretending they are not Socialists is a rejection of Marx himself.
Capitalism is defined not strictly by an employer-employee relationship, but necessarily by Capital production, accumulation, and control via Capitalists in an M-C-M’ circuit of commodity production. A worker state, controlled by the proletariat, is Socialist.
MLism enshrines a worker-state, and a rejection of Capitalism as the basis mode of prodiction. You can agree more with Anarchism, Libertarian Socialism, Syndicalism, Democratic Socialism, and even think MLism evil, all while recognizing it correctly as Socialist.
Have you read Marx? Critique of the Gotha Programme might help you understand Leftism a bit better.
Im with u, but the HBers apparently came out in force. Hexbear regularly has sided with russia over Ukraine, as well, AKA imperialism.
Cashless, classless, stateless does not align with with the ccp or russia who they continually defend and whose talking points they parrot. The gish gallop u called out is a fave of theirs. Just leaving this here so theres more traces of sanity against them.
Democrats love genocide too much to give it up and improve their poll numbers. Clearly it’s the fault of the voters for not giving democrats the votes they’re owed for simply not being the fascists who they purposely promote to pretend they’re the heroes.
Save democracy by always guaranteeing your vote for the one and only good party that also happens to carry out genocide and fund fascists.
Weird, I had this made already for some reason…
