• Doomsider@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    ICE officials worried citizens may treat them the same way they treat people. Welcome to bizarro land.

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    it s incredible how this kind of discourse already provoque one death and you still are on it. Yeah really try to play cod with th us state your are totaly justified and it will only end in a good way. You dont have to comply to llaw enforcement you can even shoot on them and you will not be condamned for it.

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    23 hours ago

    Breaking: ICE is afraid that Americans will start exercising their second amendment rights to protect their first and fourth amendment rights from a tyrannical pedofile protecting uncontrolled secret police

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    ICE was the reason why I did not visit the US. Now it is ICE and the unbelievable violation of privacy at the border.

    The collection of biometrics all over the world that went from being something you needed at least serious suspicion of to being extremely common and routine for literally everything is just shit.

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      24 hours ago

      Exactly this, I was supposed to be in the US for work. I had everything prepared and then this shit show started.

  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    I just signed up for a basic self defense class. I figure the chances of an honest to God civil war breaking out have now risen into whole numbers. Thanks, assholes.

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    That’s why civilization exists you dumb fucks. You start tearing it down and violence is all that’s left.

    • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
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      Eh, can’t say I agree with Thomas Hobbes on this. ICE is acting in the exact opposite of the state of nature, they’re the violent arm of the sovereign

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        That’s a blatant misunderstanding of what a Hobbesian sovereign is. According to Hobbes, a sovereign is a form of body politic derived from the consent of the governed. People form civilizations, understanding that by abiding by common agreements they can mutually improve the conditions and circumstances of their lives. Everyone is safer when we agree not to kill each other, and anyone who violates that norm loses the protection of the social contract. Hence, capital punishment as a penalty for murder.

        What ICE is doing is violating the social contract and acting without the consent of the governed (bypassing congressional approval/oversight, ignoring established laws and constitutional rights, etc.). In effect, they’re regressing us back to the conditions of the state of nature in which “might makes right” and “survival of the fittest,” conditions which the social contract originated in order to overcome.

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          That Goebbels-looking-ass dude literally said “might makes right” on a live TV interview.

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        Was your comment intended to suggest a better term than “civilization” was “society”? That is probably a valid correction and I need to brush up on my vocabulary before I have angry anti fascism outbursts on the interwebs.