If someone were to record a flawless, 4K video of an actual alien walking around or a spaceship flying overhead, people would just think it’s a deep fake.
I always giggle at the idea that aliens would come here in some super advanced spaceship.
Look at the spacecraft we’ve managed to land on other celestial bodies. They’re basically the lightest, sketchiest, life support boxes with a rocket motor that we can manage to get to the destination. It would be reasonable to assume that any alien out there reaching earth for the first time would either send a rover, or it would be the jankiest craft that could just barely get here.
A persistent assumption about advanced interstellar travel is that engine efficiency is monumentally better to the point that the “tyrrany of the rocket equation” is no longer a factor, and extra mass can be carried without absolutely exploding your fuel requirements into absurdity.
If adding 10kg of payload didn’t mean also potentially many times more mass of propellant we’d be sending up more robust spacecraft, no question.
That’s assuming they came here first :)
Also, assuming one of the 60 horrible things happening right now doesn’t prove the Fermi paradox.
We’ve been looking all over for signs of life. Earth screams “there is life here!”
I followed disclosure for a while and it seemed to be mostly grifters. The big reveal never comes, meanwhile they are raking in the cash writing books and attending conferences. Some of them even have ridiculous shows on the “history” channel.
Not me I am well aware ai videos fucking SUCK
What happened at Bayside Mall on Jan 1, 2024??? Still no dash cam footage, cop body cam footage, mall security footage, pictures/videos from people who were there. No one took pictures during the new year celebration?? That incident proved to me how powerful the government is and capable of scrubbing the internet.
The government is so powerful that they’ve even managed to downvote your comment exposing their evil ways! Incredible.
At the same time, they’re too incompetent to keep sensitive war information out of the press, feed or teach their children and poor or even just agree on what to call a fucking bay. But scrubbing thousands of phones instantly, in these live streaming days, no biggie.
When you find the footage let me know. I’m here to have a real discussion about it, not talk about conspiracy theories. Obviously, not everyone in government is intelligent.
Just an idea, but maybe nothing actually happened? So nobody is sharing their videos, or they’re just not going viral because there is nothing to see… The truth is always more mundane than you want it to be…
What’s more likely? A shadow government wiping thousands of videos without thousands of people being up in arms about it. If Gmail goes down for 15m, the whole world goes crazy. We’re taking about the phones of an entire district being instantly cleaned, livestreams shut down, cloud backups (including people backing up to homeservers) being wiped and all. Maybe even dumb cameras and instax pictures being destroyed.
Or nothing but a random hoax of someone having fun?
If you still find the shadow government more likely, there is no discussion to be had tbh…
Supposedly the DOD and alphabet boys have pretty good video, and have gone around confiscating good videos. That family in Vegas that claimed that they had aliens in their back yard a few years ago, the one where the cops said they didn’t think it was a prank but wouldn’t go into detail as to why, got a visit from the alphabet gang not long after, and they had surveillance cameras that pointed into that yard.
Now, as to whether those videos really do exist or if it’s a bunch of hokum, well, it’s going to have to be a case of maybe believe it when we see it. I’ve been following the UAP disclosure efforts with great interest, regardless of where they lead. I’ve always been a UFO/ET enthusiast, but I’m the type that wants to see proof, not “trust me bro, just look at these three pixels, my cousin said he fucked an ET in the army”. If we’re going to get proof, though, at this point we’re going to need more than video. That window’s been shut for a while, thanks to CGI, Photoshop, etc.
It’s all B’s you couldn’t keep it secret with that many people knowing about it.
B’s? Hmm, like B- designation aircraft, implying that they’re bombers?
Edit: I legit don’t understand, and this is my best guess at what this person meant.
Well, since there is an apostrophe we can assume that it’s either a contraction or possessive. Being that I’m unaware of the contraction I’m leaning towards possessive, so that means whatever UFOs are belongs to someone or some group named “B.” To my knowledge, the organizations that widely go by B are The Boston Bruins hockey team, and The Bloods, a street/prison gang originating in Los Angeles California. Idk what a hockey team will realistically do with UFO tech in a game where flying isn’t involved, so my best guess as to the meaning is that the Bloods have really leveled up and the Crips should be worried.
“BS”
Ohhhhhh, that makes a lot more sense, yeah
They meant BS but their computer/phone messed it up.
Got it
Since you have a big interest, start a community. I don’t think I’ve seen many and I am sure there are many of us who might be lurkers but love the information from individuals like you. I’ll be your first subscriber
alright, https://lemm.ee/c/close_encounters is hot off the presses!
I might. I’ve got a couple other communities I’m already trying to promote ATM. I’ll think about it.
As an alien I would now spend all my time targeting wannabe influencers. Wait until they are alone, get naked and let them take high-quality pictures and videos of my green ass while I dance and play yankee doodle on my harmonica
If Kirk were an alien…
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What’s the XKCD code for this?
This is Settled: https://xkcd.com/1235/
Wow. An actual shower thought.
Yeah, reddit did it better
You have options. You don’t have to stay here and put up with this.
Plot twist: aliens introduced generative AI so people would dismiss evidence of their existence.
Sam Altman is an alien in a human suit. Our AI sucks because aliens had to adapt their software to our crappy binary logic/architecture.
BY GOD
I’ve seen one myself, back in 2015. Flew right over me without a sound. Someone else on the ground saw it too and flashed an extremely bright beam at it and it responded back by flashing multi colored lights back. I took a picture of it and the only thing that showed up is a small blurry dot. But it was at night.
Amazing. Pack it up everyone. Looks like the old “are we alone” question has been settled once and for all.
It’s so good to finally have conclusive, irrefutable proof like this. The government has already arrested OP, of course. They’ll get around to scrubbing his comments shortly
Yep that sounds like a flying object that no one identified.
Actual, legit Fortean lore regarding this is that the phenomena knows when it’s being observed and photographed, and can manipulate time and space such that it doesn’t show up on digital photos.
That’s so pathetic.
How convenient. Reminds me of Carl Sagan’s “The Dragon in my Garage” essay.
For anyone who hasn’t read it (I highly recommend reading the entire book that it’s from: “The Demon-Haunted World”) here’s a link (it’s only two pages): http://people.whitman.edu/~herbrawt/classes/110/Sagan.pdf
Tbh, I think the big problem here is that a lot of ground-based sightings happen at night, likely due to a combination of
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Weird shit stands out more in the dark, but also
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It’s just flat out harder to identify stuff in the dark.
Well, guess what doesn’t work as well in the dark? Cameras. As a rule of thumb, cameras almost always work better with more light than less light. It’s already difficult to get high quality pictures of stuff in the dark (depending on your camera, settings, lens, etc), now make it a very bright thing that’s potentially moving quick and at a significant distance, and any attempt to take a picture is cooked, especially with something like a cell phone camera. So, whether what you’re taking a picture of is the mother ship, Aurora, or a DJI drone, it all just kind of turns into a few bright pixels against a dark background. Then, you inevitably get the ends of the bell curve arguing whether it was an extra bright seagull or whether they could literally see the aliens waving at them in those two pixels, which is the death of any serious conversation about the presented evidence.
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Lets put it this way: in the 60s, a photo was not a simple or common thing. Only a few people had a camera at hand, and films could only take 20 to 30 pictures, so they were used sparingly. Still, many UFO pictures date from back then.
Nowadays, everyone has a camera on person, and you can do thousands of pictures in a row. There are millions of recording video surveillance cameras everywhere. So if UFOs exist, there should be myriads of pictures and recordings, many of which in top notch quality, where you could read the labels on the little green mens console buttons.
So far, they remain to be seen.
Take a picture of a plane with your cellphone. Not to say that there are aliens in any way, but the devices we have can barely capture a decent picture in a grocery store security system. After 20/30 meters pretty much nothing is clear without specialized equipment.
Yeah there is a reason why plane spotters use 400+mm lenses
There is a very reasonable explanation for this: If we are a topic of research for them, they could have simply stopped studying us in the same way
Take our own science for example. We pull out of studies when the funding dries up. Maybe the aliens’ government grant ran out. Or, perhaps they have a policy of avoiding interference with the subjects. They could have changed methodology in response to the threat of high resolution recording equipment
Nahh, any species able to come close to interstellar travel would be able to observe us from afar. We can already take good data on other planets’ atmospheres. It’s not going to be too much longer (probably still past our lifetimes, but) before we can take spy satellite quality photos of the surface.
Sure, some alien species might prefer to be more hands-on, but I’d hope they’d also recognize the destructive power humans have and stay away; It’s a lot easier to break something than to invent it, and few things remain even recognizable after being hit by bigger military weapons. A lot of older movies/media relied on that fact to make the other thing seem so fantastically strong. Like the alien ship shrugging off a nuke in Independence Day.
That may be true, but there’s only so much you can collect by remote observation. I really like the “interstellar scientists” take, because it’s something I can see us doing. If we obtained warp drive, we would want to understand how other intelligent species develop, and how similar their conditions and course of development is to our own.
The aliens are interested in bovine bowels, which are difficult to probe from afar.
The problem now is authentication. The evidence needs to come from someone with authority
Does it really? You would think that in the times of social media and omnipresent cameras, aliens and UFOs should be omnipresent, if they existed.
And please put warnings before YT links.
UFOs should be omnipresent, if they existed.
There are loads of sightings with videos. Take a look at r/ufo on reddit.
Ufos certainly exist. It’s the Alien part that is crackpot.
BTW. All my youtube links open with Newpipe 😉
evidence
Um, who is an authority on these things which dont seem to even exist?
Not that they are an authority on UFOs.
The Navy is in a position of authority and doesn’t usually post prank videos.
If I were The Aliens, I would’ve stopped coming here somewhere around 2013-2014. And I don’t say this with any kind of undertone, I just feel we haven’t developed in significant ways over the past decade. They most certainly haven’t presented any social interest, so it’s a study. They’d only need vertical slices every half century to a century or so.
My guess is that the Earth is a petting zoo for some aliens. The adult aliens could come here to see how weird and stupid we are, while their children would give us some bitcoins to see if we do anything funny. What if some conspiracy theories, like the flat earth nonsense was a prank pulled by one of the visiting aliens?
Now, now, let’s give ourselves fair share of the credit, we’re dumb enough to come up with Flat Earth on our own, tyvm!:)))
Starting the anti-vaccine conspiracy would have been too cruel. I think any young punk would be grounded for a century for pulling that off.
Instead, I’m pretty sure humans are the only species capable of such self destructive behavior and aliens can only gasp in horror as we throw ourselves into the fire.
Also, climate change denial … oh, that’s just next level stupidity. No need to bring the doomlaser here. This species will be done sooner or even sooner. Maybe try planting a smarter species here next time around?
Surely, if something/someone intentionally caused our existence, they must be pulling out clumps of hair at this point (or equivalent gestures).
Although… well, this is purely speculative and quite a bit philosophical, but I guess it all comes down to how they’d manage fear and greed. I initially wanted to say that viciousness seems to be a facile trait for sentience, but I only have us as a sample, so…
I genuinely don’t even know what to think anymore. My sense of scale and value has been completely shattered by our contemporary debasement with Fascism and burning the planet and everything in between and around, not in a million years could I have believed humanity in general could be so stupid as to do the same horrid shit all over again, and especially not after our forerunners’ fervency in purging the very concept of Fascism. Hell, maybe it was just Marketing…
I mean, how can anyone consider a governing system so unabashedly inimical to life as a feasible way of doing things?! I… I just don’t understand it. I don’t know if I’m too stupid, or too naïve, or cloistered, or whatever the fuck else, but I just cannot process the idea of anything which looks like me behaving in such a horrid manner. I can grasp that capacity for violence, because I have it, too, but to use it in such a manner? No. That’s where my system hangs.
Maybe humans are an experiment to see what happens if you combine infinite greed and selfishness in the same species. Sounds like a recipe for a total disaster, but it could be interesting to watch how the whole thing implodes at some point.
My morbid tendencies are fascinated by the idea, but I, myself, can’t help but feel like staring at an incoming tsunami crest.
Ever read Roadside Picnic?
Sounds like I should look into that.
It’s my favourite take on a first contact story. I think you’d appreciate it.
or they decide to enslave humans.
Tbh, if you’re advanced enough to have a working Alcubierre drive, slavery seems like it would be a waste of resources.
Honestly, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would risk it! We’re certifiably insane when in large masses, we’d ruin their civilisation if they’d get us all.
We’d deffo see Bezos/Musk/Zuck/etc. becoming the Breens of our timeline, and we already hate’em!
Edit: plus, why bother? It’s enough to cause a Pandemic, we’re aces at making things worse by ourselves! Planet cleans itself up, move in, adapt existing infrastructure, no risk of random nukes… sounds like a good deal to me!
i was thinking GOAULD, aside from a couple of the system lords(Osiris an YU evil as she was her lore in the show was wanting humans to literate , while her brother was seth was against it), most of them had impoverished slaves, ra even banned reading and writing, sound familiar to prevent the slaves turning against him on another planet.
Good point, I guess it would be back to considering the permanence of The Cave allegory. I still have that gut feeling that humanity has a sort of in-built desire for freedom and self-determination which exists somewhere beyond the conceptual, something innate. Maybe its materialisation just takes a long enough timeline and that the species is offered relative stability in terms of genetics/psychological development (i.e. they don’t just outright lobotomise us and turn us into Servitors, or smth…)
That depends on your description of development. Socially, economically, etc we have reverted and are doing the same things that failed 100 years ago. But there have been breakthroughs elsewhere.
Cas9 gene editing through CRISPR has opened a ton of incredibly valuable medical options around that time. The same with mRNA vaccination breakthroughs leading into the COVID era.
But mRNA isn’t new. It just got the recognition with COVID. They used to burn could you imagine if they released the vaccine and it had a burning sensation.
These are noteworthy and relevant breakthroughs, yes, but I don’t see us doing anything dramatic with this technology in less than a decade, maybe two. And that’s just for something like regrowing teeth, way longer timeline for anything fancier. We’re still just basically optimising old tech right now. New battery designs incoming, solar panel tech is getting better (slowly), we are moving, yes. But it’s like watching people paint the living room at this point, and I assume long-distance space travel still isn’t “cheap” for them, even with their fancy manoeuvering.
Or they took it as an opportunity to advance our technology enough to entertain us and stunt our growth. It’s like giving monkeys an endless supply of bananas, why would the monkeys do anything else any more? They got all the bananas and there’s nothing more to do for them.
It’s an easy way to get rid of competition or an emerging civilization in the galactic neighborhood. Just throw us a bone and we’ll gnaw on it for a few thousand years.
They’d need to come back and plant something else, because the side-effect of shortening attention spans has also increased the frequency at which we require new flavours of brainrot. I think this method of doing things is somewhat ineffectual.
Honestly, if I were to guess how someone would stunt us, is to “help” us improve our industry before we even grasp its implications. It essentially created Baron-Gods (and we sure do like triangles and shit!) while ensuring that we’ll choke ourselves out.
I’m not sure there was ever the possibility of a really convincing UFO video. I’d be skeptical of something extremely realistic even if we were still in the days before convincing traditional effects. It’s just too high a bar - it’s much easier to believe that a video was staged, even to an unbelievable level, than it is to believe that it depicts actual beings from another planet. I think that’s why the UFO community hangs their hat so much on Disclosure these days. They must realize that only confirmation from a trusted authority could be real confirmation.
They must realize that only confirmation from a trusted authority could be real confirmation.
This is a neat observation because it’s ironic on it’s face. UFO people actively work to discredit institutions and authority. But you’re right, they are desperate for confirmation from the Pentagon, the Vatican, even something on official DMV letterhead would be a blockbuster event in UFO/conspiracy spaces.
What authority do you trust today?
What authority do you trust
William Shatner
You clearly underestimate the stupidity and lack of logic employed by conspiracy theorists.
Well, I mean convincing to the public at large. Yeah I know I guy, otherwise perfectly smart, that is convinced that aliens are real based on the cheesiest, most obviously faked videos from back in the 80s or whatever.
