On the one hand, it’s a shame in general, as Proton has truly been a pesky thorn on the foot for Linux gaming. There’s a world of difference between having native, first-class support, and basically running every game on an emulator that is on a lease.
It’s not an emulator it’s an abstraction layer for the DirectX API etc. They’re similar in ways but not quite the same.
As for the difference in native support, well actually having such a later might mean longer support. Some older native games may not run well on future systems as libraries and the kernel change, whereas so long as proton runs, the older games should continue to work.
Proton also adds functionality that wasn’t really in the native Windows, i.e. superior suspend and certain input mapping features.
Yeah, it’s annoying to not have it native, but having Proton also means there’s just one thing to maintain support for. If a major system library changes you patch Proton, not a thousand different games and programs.
Until Linux gaming starts making use of some form of standardized containers or maintain proper LTS environments there will always be a need to keep each game updated individually to maintain compatibility when old libraries gets deprecated. About time somebody gets that going (and no I definitely do not just mean flatpack)
Edit: apparently there’s a Steam Linux runtime based on containers, maybe if we can get that standardized it would help
you’re missing the point. the linux gaming market is increasing, but proton is in some ways a crutch keeping proper linux support from games because its much easier to support just one platform rather than two.
i don’t think anyone in this thread is saying we shouldn’t have proton, but just that it is holding back actual linux development. I for one love my steamdeck and use proton all the time.
but facts are facts, and there are less games being developed for linux because of proton.
I have several native Linux games but I use the Windows version on proton because it’s more reliable. The games used to work great but not so much anymore.
Yeah, outside of Stardew Valley and minecraft, my experience with linux native games has been… unpleasant. Meanwhile, the proton version of the same games have never given me issue.
On the one hand, it’s a shame in general, as Proton has truly been a pesky thorn on the foot for Linux gaming. There’s a world of difference between having native, first-class support, and basically running every game on an emulator that is on a lease.
It’s not an emulator it’s an abstraction layer for the DirectX API etc. They’re similar in ways but not quite the same.
As for the difference in native support, well actually having such a later might mean longer support. Some older native games may not run well on future systems as libraries and the kernel change, whereas so long as proton runs, the older games should continue to work.
Proton also adds functionality that wasn’t really in the native Windows, i.e. superior suspend and certain input mapping features.
Yeah, it’s annoying to not have it native, but having Proton also means there’s just one thing to maintain support for. If a major system library changes you patch Proton, not a thousand different games and programs.
Until Linux gaming starts making use of some form of standardized containers or maintain proper LTS environments there will always be a need to keep each game updated individually to maintain compatibility when old libraries gets deprecated. About time somebody gets that going (and no I definitely do not just mean flatpack)
Edit: apparently there’s a Steam Linux runtime based on containers, maybe if we can get that standardized it would help
What do you mean about a lease? Does Proton have a problematic license or something like that?
Nope. They just don’t know what they’re talking about, something unfortunately common when talking about Proton.
Yes, its such a thorn being able to finally drop windows and play all my games on linux.
God won’t someone save us from this terrible miscarriage of justice. If we cant have perfection, then we don’t deserve anything at all!
you’re missing the point. the linux gaming market is increasing, but proton is in some ways a crutch keeping proper linux support from games because its much easier to support just one platform rather than two.
yes yes, if its not the perfect solution, then we should have no solution. its a tired old argument.
You keep hallucinating this, as if you were an AI…
Realized you got talked into a corner, and rather than admit wrong you are gonna reply to every post with insults and insinuations?
i don’t think anyone in this thread is saying we shouldn’t have proton, but just that it is holding back actual linux development. I for one love my steamdeck and use proton all the time.
but facts are facts, and there are less games being developed for linux because of proton.
I have several native Linux games but I use the Windows version on proton because it’s more reliable. The games used to work great but not so much anymore.
Yeah, outside of Stardew Valley and minecraft, my experience with linux native games has been… unpleasant. Meanwhile, the proton version of the same games have never given me issue.
Really?
Cause that implies wanting to get rid of it. You don’t tend to fondly keep as a momento the thorn in your foot… you rip it out and get rid of it.
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You are the one choosing to read it that way and then hallucinating a whole sort of “perfection or nothing” argument from that.
Feels like you have some bone to chew, and I’m not exactly sure what kind of bone.
Sure buddy.