“Ah yes, let us disregard basic grammar rules in order to make a stupid argument to ‘prove’ my point, that’s clearly what’ll convince people that my way is the right one”
I’m not the one disregarding the grammar rules. You are.
Wow, I did not expect people to assume I was a biggot for pointing out the issues this causes for clarity in language. Like it is legitimately confusing.
I’m not the one disregarding the grammar rules. You are.
You are.
You, in this case, is singular. Why are you using are?!
It turns out, “the issues this causes for clarity in language” don’t actually matter, and it doesn’t cause any issues. It’s perfectly clear “you” and “they” here are singular, despite the plural grammar. It is not confusing, as you clearly proved in your own comment by using “you are.”
Why does no one in this topic under the difference between second and third person? The rules are not the same between these, stop acting like this is a gotcha, you’re just proving your own ignorance on the topic.
But that’s not the reason for “you are!” It’s because you used to be plural! We stopped using it for plural and it’s exclusively singular now, yet it maintains the plural grammar.
It used to be “thou art” for second person singular and “you are” for second person plural. Now it’s “you are” for second person singular and usually “you all/y’all are” or “you guys are,” but sometimes “you are,” for second person plural. “They are” is in good company.
Grammar and language are made up. Stop arguing about the rules and just use it in the way that’s useful for communication with your contemporaries, or if you are going to argue about “maintaining the purity of the rules” then start using “thou art” for second person plural, so your peers can understand you.
Except I am not, they has been used singularly for centuries now.
Let me put it in a way that will make sense for you. Singular “they” is, more often than not, used when people do not know the gender or amount of a group. Whenever you speak of a corporation or company, it is extremely common to use “they” instead of “it”. E.g. “they are the ones in charge of making that decision”. In the example, you are speaking of a company or similar group, a singular entity by itself. However, since the speaker does not know who or how many people make this decision, the speaker uses a singular “they”.
This is but one example of how they has been used as a singular pronoun for ages, but let us digress a little bit. Why the fuck is the royal “we” allowed, but not the singular “they”? They both follow the same structure but inverse of each other, where the royal we is a way to say “I’m speaking of myself as a part of a bigger entity/community”. You can make an argument that both of these carry plural connotations, but my point is that grammar rules and language as a whole is way more nuanced than black or white.
So, please, save your spit and time with a counter argument that only pushes forward discriminating thinking and stop being a pussy about language change.
Btw, I’m not a native English speaker, which goes to show that I was actively taught about singular they, instead of picking it up intuitively like most native speakers do.
Edit PS: don’t even think of using my non-nativeness as a point against me, I know for a fact I have better grammar and care more about orthography than the average native speaker.
“Ah yes, let us disregard basic grammar rules in order to make a stupid argument to ‘prove’ my point, that’s clearly what’ll convince people that my way is the right one”
I’m not the one disregarding the grammar rules. You are.
Wow, I did not expect people to assume I was a biggot for pointing out the issues this causes for clarity in language. Like it is legitimately confusing.
You, in this case, is singular. Why are you using are?!
It turns out, “the issues this causes for clarity in language” don’t actually matter, and it doesn’t cause any issues. It’s perfectly clear “you” and “they” here are singular, despite the plural grammar. It is not confusing, as you clearly proved in your own comment by using “you are.”
Why does no one in this topic under the difference between second and third person? The rules are not the same between these, stop acting like this is a gotcha, you’re just proving your own ignorance on the topic.
But that’s not the reason for “you are!” It’s because you used to be plural! We stopped using it for plural and it’s exclusively singular now, yet it maintains the plural grammar.
It used to be “thou art” for second person singular and “you are” for second person plural. Now it’s “you are” for second person singular and usually “you all/y’all are” or “you guys are,” but sometimes “you are,” for second person plural. “They are” is in good company.
Grammar and language are made up. Stop arguing about the rules and just use it in the way that’s useful for communication with your contemporaries, or if you are going to argue about “maintaining the purity of the rules” then start using “thou art” for second person plural, so your peers can understand you.
Except I am not, they has been used singularly for centuries now.
Let me put it in a way that will make sense for you. Singular “they” is, more often than not, used when people do not know the gender or amount of a group. Whenever you speak of a corporation or company, it is extremely common to use “they” instead of “it”. E.g. “they are the ones in charge of making that decision”. In the example, you are speaking of a company or similar group, a singular entity by itself. However, since the speaker does not know who or how many people make this decision, the speaker uses a singular “they”.
This is but one example of how they has been used as a singular pronoun for ages, but let us digress a little bit. Why the fuck is the royal “we” allowed, but not the singular “they”? They both follow the same structure but inverse of each other, where the royal we is a way to say “I’m speaking of myself as a part of a bigger entity/community”. You can make an argument that both of these carry plural connotations, but my point is that grammar rules and language as a whole is way more nuanced than black or white.
So, please, save your spit and time with a counter argument that only pushes forward discriminating thinking and stop being a pussy about language change.
Btw, I’m not a native English speaker, which goes to show that I was actively taught about singular they, instead of picking it up intuitively like most native speakers do.
Edit PS: don’t even think of using my non-nativeness as a point against me, I know for a fact I have better grammar and care more about orthography than the average native speaker.