This is the official short film adaptation of the classic video game Papers Please.
…made in 2018 by a Russian team. Way before the whole Ukraine war thing, you understand. …though I’d obviously love to hear where they are now.
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The Ukraine war started in 2014 with the annexation of Crimea.
A little earlier, don’t forget donbas
Explanation please
My bad, i didn’t realize the separatist action in Donbas was in 2014. I was thinking of 2008, but that was the Georgian invasion and unrelated to the post I replied to
But only kind of unrelated
It is easy to say “they could have left the country. They did not. So they support Putin.”
Just look at the US.
it’s not easy. but unfortunately both states are captured. no one else is coming to save them.
so either the populace rises up as one, or they continue to be abused.
i don’t think either population has their heart in it anymore.
…made in 2018 by a Russian team. Way before the whole Ukraine war thing, you understand
Flipping through a history book on Russian/Ukrainian relations in the 21st century
Closing the book, putting it back on the shelf, whistling, and walking away
More seriously, I’ll never understand folks who hear “So-and-so is from Nationality X, so now I must/must not purchase products from them because of their bloodline.”
That’s definitely fair, but there is the argument that the largest source of change for major powers is through harming their economies.
Sort of like, I like the artistry from this person from X nation, but by giving them money, I am indirectly helping fuel the economy of X nation, therefore giving their goverment less incentive to change existing behavior.
The problem is that in order to achieve that collective impact, a whole lot of innocent parties who have no support for or active hostility for the existing regime are also badly impacted. Usually individuals will greatly suffer before the political or structural systems will ever change.
So it’s a bit of a bind. Support Russian media, comes with the side effect of supporting the Russian regime, at least indirectly from their income flowing into taxes. End of the day, it’s a choice to make.
It’s also that you’re fueling their cultural influence. Cultural influence does a lot of sanitization. Look at how japanophiles often fetishize Japan rather than seeing it as a country with good and bad elements. America was particularly good at this conversion.
See also: sportswashing in the middle east autocracies.
I’d love to see some data backing this argument up. Doesn’t seem like years of sanctions on Russia, Iran, or North Korea had a sufficient impact to cause any change. Harming the economy can just as likely be used to reinforce the regime by creating a common enemy and blaming them for the people’s hardships (like North Korea does with the USA) On the other hand, use of force was pretty effective in causing change in Nazi Germany or Japan.
Of course it’s not all straightforward. Change by force can have negative results, and change by economic means can have positive ones. That’s why I’d love to see the data, if there is any
Doesn’t seem like years of sanctions on Russia, Iran, or North Korea had a sufficient impact to cause any change.
Seems like it made them more insular, more self-sufficient, and more hostile to future diplomatic entreties.
Change by force can have negative results, and change by economic means can have positive ones
What if, instead of trying to extort or kill a nation’s residents in order to force them to adopt your preferred foreign policy, you simply afforded them an opportunity for peaceful coexistence?
yeah, because that’s what Putin wants?
let us know when you come back to reality.
Putin wouldn’t be President of Russia if the US and the USSR had been able to settle their differences without a 60 year long series of proxy wars and regime changes. Neither would Trump, for that matter.
You played yourselves.
Putin is in power specifically because they settled their differences and Yeltsin was such a drunk idiot that it pushed people to vote for someone who promised stability and prosperity. Putin wasn’t very anti-West until the 2010s. I’m old enough to remember when there was mild talk about Russia joining NATO.
Yeltsin was such a drunk idiot
Backed by the US in a coup against the Russian government
sure, jan.
You should stop reading books, Gutenberg was a German and Nazis were German.
“You should stop reading books and just listen to random internet strangers” is definitely a take
The films version of ‘Chained by one chain’ has been in my go to playlist for 5 years now. They did a great job with that one.
