• Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 days ago

    It’s the trolley problem again. This time, you have 3 tracks and 2 switches. The trolley is headed towards 5 people, one switch sends it to 1 person, and the other switch would send it to 0 people, but it’s broken. Voting third party is pulling the broken switch, knowing the 5 people will die but you’ve shifted the responsibility from yourself to whoever was supposed to fix the switch.

    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      5 days ago

      I like your analogy. Let me expand.

      This same situation happens every day. For years now, 1 person has died every day. Nobody pulls the broken lever, but if people started pulling it, it would start working. For the first couple days or weeks, 5 people would die each time, but eventually we would be able to get the train on a safe track.

      • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 days ago

        The whole post is an example of a propaganda technique where you keep repeating one thing over and over until it becomes a default thing where people don’t even question the logic.

        The ones capable of refuting it feel tired because of the sheer number of posts while the vulnerable ones get affected.

        Today both sides “feel” that the use of this propaganda is fair game cuz the other side is already doing it.

    • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      Excellent analogy. If anyone still plays dumb after reading this, they probably are

    • Cleggory@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 days ago

      Why do neoliberals bring up the trolley problem as if it is some settled debate among scholars that there is one clear possible answer?

      • null@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        5 days ago

        The trolley problem isn’t “settled debate” for the same reasons that Kamala vs Trump isn’t “settled debate”.

        The point of the trolley problem and why it’s analogous is that it’s coming up fast and you must choose to either pull that lever or not. Whichever choice you make, that’s the moral character you’ve chosen to exhibit.

        • Cleggory@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          5 days ago

          What is the moral character of someone incapable of questioning the validity of orphan crushing trolleys?

      • Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 days ago

        I’m not a neoliberal, I’m a socialist. I’m just not an idiot who will give a fascist free rein just because his opponent has the same shitty foreign policy as every politician in the whole fucking country has. There is a difference between the status-quo level of bad and catastrophic.

          • null@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 days ago

            Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

            Lol no they haven’t.

              • null@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 days ago

                “I hope I get to watch you suffer the consequences of your actions since you doomed me too”

                “That’s a death threat!”

                Sure buddy.

                • Cleggory@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  4 days ago

                  Lazy quote changing gaslighting.

                  I hope people like you are the first people put in the camps

                  I will look forward to the order to launch on your nation

                  Mode removed some of your fellow Harris supporter’s threats, but not before you all upvoted and clapped.

                  • null@slrpnk.net
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    4 days ago

                    Lazy quote changing

                    Literally changes the quote

                    You have to be trolling.

          • ameancow@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            4 days ago

            Harris supporters on Lemmy have called for me to be put in a concentration camp.

            Yah, I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for a thousand, Alex. Let me guess, they did the “you’re going to be the most _____ person in the camps” joke and you took offense to the harsh, practical truth of it, so rather than reconsider whatever performative BS you were trying to use to justify voting against a clear and present danger, you decided to do exactly what the right does, and spin natural consequences and hurt feelings to make yourself a victim.

            edit: I was absolutely right, 100% accurate. Lets just ignore the clowns, shit’s too serious out there to fuck around with this performative BS.