Vote for the change you want to see.

The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can’t happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.

If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we’d be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.

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    Bernie was doing well in 2016 until the DNC kneecapped him.

    Get money out elections if you want change, but neither party is willing to. The oligarchy works for itself

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      Obama outperformed the establishment Democratic candidate in 2008 and became the candidate. It’s not impossible.

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        Oh to go back to a pre citizens united world! lol

        I am once again asking to get money out of politics.
        Get. Money. Out. Of. Politics.
        Get money out of politics.

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      You just proved OP’s point.

      Look at Obama. No one thought he could get past Hilary in 2008. He got his people motivated and hit the streets.

      You want to get your candidate in? Organize!

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        That was before citizens united. This doesnt prove op’s left bashing. Like I said earlier GET MONEY OUT OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS

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          Sorry, there’s no magic genii going to pop up and reverse that decision.

          You want change? Roll up your sleeves and get to work. And typing all caps doesn’t count as work.

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      Did the DNC stop anyone from voting? There was nothing to stop us from outvoting the establishment. “Oh no, the moderators liked Clinton!” The RNC tried way harder with trump and failed.

      Are we not as capable as goddamn republicans?

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        Do you understand how superdelegates work? they’re not assigned by vote.

        As well, the Bernie campaign was blocked from accessing the voter rolls because they reported a bug to the DNC that allowed them to view stuff the clinton campaign was doing. They did not exploit it, they just reported it.

        Also, did you read that hacked/leaked memo where the DNC chair admitted to intentionally sabotaging Bernie’s campaign? no one has ever contested the contents of that memo. in fact the DNC chair resigned over it. (and you’re an idiot if you think Hilary wasn’t pressuring the DNC chair to do just that. Hilary always has someone else to throw under her campaign bus.)

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          Maybe you don’t?

          Sanders didn’t win a majority of the votes so whether the super delegates would’ve over-ridden the votes is fairly irrelevant.

          You can argue it wasn’t a completely balanced playing field but there was nothing stopping us from winning the votes except for our refusal to show up rather than bitch online.

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            More young people voted in 2016 than ever before. We showed up. The boomers overwhelmed us.

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              Yup. Young votes don’t show up to the general or primaries at anywhere near the same rate as boomers. And sadly, democracy caters more to those who vote.

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            People like you are the reason Democrats can’t unite fyi, reducing problems of people who did exactly what you’re saying and got shat on once again

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          You do realize the super delegates never came into play right? I mean I’m sure they would have if they needed them to but it never got that far.

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            I watched the DNC do everything they could to throw the election to the worst candidate they have ever run, simply because their donors didn’t want to give everyone health care.

            That election turned an entire generation into people who don’t bother voting because nothing will ever change.

            We didn’t even fucking GET a primary this time. How can I vote in a primary that doesn’t even really exist? The Democrats end up with the candidate they want one way or another.

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              The stupid ass Russian propaganda that you people swallowed afterwards turned you into a generation of non voters.

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                Oh please. The russians had nothing to do with Hillary fucking over Bernie. That was all her.

                But keep assuming that you can blame the democrats failings on Russia. If trump wasn’t running the dems would lose this election because they lost so many votes.

                Look at them running to dick fucking cheney and his goon daughter instead of the Muslim vote that can actually win them a swing state.

                You gonna say that the Muslims in Michigan are falling for Russian propaganda about a genocide too?

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        This response is ironic considering your post.

        Failure to acknowledge how the DNC and super delegates operated in 2016 is a great way to ensure the rightward ratchet.

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          The super delegates do not change the fact that Clinton got 3,5 million more votes in the primaries than Sanders did. Or, to put it another way, Sanders got 43% of the vote compared to Clinton’s 55%. Those are voters, not pledged delegates.

          Blaming superdelegates is a great way to make sure we don’t change a damn thing. (Also, the DNC changed the role of super delegates afterwards to make them less powerful.)

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            Everything you listed here is putting the cart before the horse.

            Bernie was doing well until the DNC put all of its backing into Clinton and even ran negative ads against Bernie.

            Get money out of elections if you want change. If you’re just looking to bash people to the left, carry on as you are.

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              No, the cart always has to be voters. Actually showing up to the polls has to be the cart. Anything before that is nonsense. Leftist will never ever ever have any power in this nation unless they show the fuck up. A lot of leftists don’t want to show up they just want to sit back and complain.

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                  You saw what happened? You saw more votes go to the other candidate? Because that’s what happened.

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                    I find myself thinking, “how could trump possibly get elected (again)?” And then I have exchanges like this.