Because the majority of people (I realise that won’t be the majority of people on Lemmy due to the general user base) aren’t technologically literate enough to flash custom ROMs and the like on phones even if they want to get away from the bullshit you mention.
Graphene is the easiest for sure and when more phones are supported with that kind of easy install I believe it will embolden more people to make the switch away from crap they don’t like.
I think a big part of the problem with wider adoption, particularly of less tech savvy people, is the documentation is often terrible. This is true of the FOSS community in general in my experience. There are many great people working on great projects for the FOSS community but when it comes to writing a guide to help people implement things they far too often assume a level of knowledge of the reader that is unreasonable to assume for the wider world of people that could benefit from their work.
If more people could write simple, broken down guides on how to implement and use their software then it would decrease the barrier of entry. Far too many things I see have instructions that include terms or processes that are too complex to expect an “average” person to know or understand and that will put a lot of people off as your average user doesnt want to try hard just to figure out the language used for a world they may not have an interest in getting deep into but those same people could probably benefit from the end result.
Tech professionals often seem to believe that anyone without their level of knowledge doesn’t want to/can’t learn anything technical. I run into people like this on Lemmy often, and it’s frustrating. Everyone I know who is less tech savvy, including elderly people, want to learn and understand, they just can’t find a source of information that’s written for someone like them.
I’m pretty tech literate but I still come across things often within the Linux space that I have only recently been delving into properly that are just not written in a clear, understandable manner and I then have to waste hours researching additional things often many layers deep where each successive thing throws up more unknowns.
I agree it is bloody frustrating! I can only imagine how put off people are that don’t have any tech know how to begin with!
that is true, im not saavy enough to know what a different OS does, and how to integrate it into my current phone. my 2 bros could though, since they are in the tech industry and are able to use other OSes on thier PCs.
if it was simple as downloading a specific app and then instructions, i think people would go for it.
That is part of why I only buy pixel phones used these days. I can get a last years flagship for 1/2 price, and I know it will run Lineage or Graphene. Given I generally hold onto a phone for about 4 years it ends up being a great value.
Did magisk become a lot better at hiding from banking apps? Because people have been saying “it’s fine, just install magisk and use the option to hide it” but my experience is “it only works sometimes for some apps, otherwise you’re fucked or you will be fucked next time the app updates its countermeasures”. But that was a few years ago.
It’s an absolute dealbreaker though. Without reliable mobile banking and eID it’s very painful to do any kind of online payment or admin work.
Seriously this. I don’t understand why suffering through manufacturers, customized skins and os’s makes any sense when lineage is such a solid option.
Lineage on my phone Linux on my computers degoogling services running on a micro cluster. It’s never been easier to get away from big tech.
Because the majority of people (I realise that won’t be the majority of people on Lemmy due to the general user base) aren’t technologically literate enough to flash custom ROMs and the like on phones even if they want to get away from the bullshit you mention.
Graphene is the easiest for sure and when more phones are supported with that kind of easy install I believe it will embolden more people to make the switch away from crap they don’t like.
im one of those people , im using op12r though, i heard on reddit they change it, but im not saavy enough to do it.
I think a big part of the problem with wider adoption, particularly of less tech savvy people, is the documentation is often terrible. This is true of the FOSS community in general in my experience. There are many great people working on great projects for the FOSS community but when it comes to writing a guide to help people implement things they far too often assume a level of knowledge of the reader that is unreasonable to assume for the wider world of people that could benefit from their work.
If more people could write simple, broken down guides on how to implement and use their software then it would decrease the barrier of entry. Far too many things I see have instructions that include terms or processes that are too complex to expect an “average” person to know or understand and that will put a lot of people off as your average user doesnt want to try hard just to figure out the language used for a world they may not have an interest in getting deep into but those same people could probably benefit from the end result.
Tech professionals often seem to believe that anyone without their level of knowledge doesn’t want to/can’t learn anything technical. I run into people like this on Lemmy often, and it’s frustrating. Everyone I know who is less tech savvy, including elderly people, want to learn and understand, they just can’t find a source of information that’s written for someone like them.
Yup, exactly!
I’m pretty tech literate but I still come across things often within the Linux space that I have only recently been delving into properly that are just not written in a clear, understandable manner and I then have to waste hours researching additional things often many layers deep where each successive thing throws up more unknowns.
I agree it is bloody frustrating! I can only imagine how put off people are that don’t have any tech know how to begin with!
that is true, im not saavy enough to know what a different OS does, and how to integrate it into my current phone. my 2 bros could though, since they are in the tech industry and are able to use other OSes on thier PCs.
if it was simple as downloading a specific app and then instructions, i think people would go for it.
My previous phone wasn’t compatible with lineage nor any of the other popular android derivatives.
That is part of why I only buy pixel phones used these days. I can get a last years flagship for 1/2 price, and I know it will run Lineage or Graphene. Given I generally hold onto a phone for about 4 years it ends up being a great value.
Did magisk become a lot better at hiding from banking apps? Because people have been saying “it’s fine, just install magisk and use the option to hide it” but my experience is “it only works sometimes for some apps, otherwise you’re fucked or you will be fucked next time the app updates its countermeasures”. But that was a few years ago.
It’s an absolute dealbreaker though. Without reliable mobile banking and eID it’s very painful to do any kind of online payment or admin work.
No idea, I don’t use magisk. I have lineageOS installed and mobile banking set up and never had to do anything funky…