JFC. Ok seeing your other comments let’s parse this out between normal terms and what I’ll call etymological terms.
I’m using the normal usage of the terms.
The modern conservative movement doesn’t want gradual progress. They want to conserve the 1950s America, which at this point needs regression (see below for how you put that as reactionary). So normal terms you’re wrong.
Or more normal terms, the conservatives (yes I’m using that term) of the Nixon era did some things like the EPA. In which case you saying conservatives want gradual progress is comically outdated.
Maybe you’re trying what’s best described as etymological use of the term. If you want to go to etymology, conservatives want to conserve. They don’t want gradual progress. They want to conserve the King’s power. Using these etymological terms yes you can say regressive means reactionary. But again using these etymological terms you can not say that conservatives want gradual progress, because conservatives want to conserve. You are wrong again.
Take your pick of the three scenarios, you are either wrong, comically outdated, or wrong. This is seriously not worth continuing.
Wow you wrote all of that and still failed to leave American politics behind. But even within American politics still did not address what should be the label for people who fit the definition of conservative (gradual change) if conservative now means reactionary. And they absolutely need a label because they are actually the larger faction in American politics, as most people would say that they do not want radical change. Independents then? Are they liberals? Centrists? We need a name to give to this politically significant group.
At what “seems to be your attempted etymological use” hahaha my guy I gave you the definition out of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Like all of your definitions were “this is what this means in American politics” and oh “this is what it meant in the 17th century”. But you failed to address how can a conservative be the same thing as a reactionary given that:
A) Conservatives exist outside of US politics currently and in the present day, and they hold conservative views, and call themselves conservatives yet do not hold regressive views
B) That conservatives exist right now inside the US, who call themselves conservatives, and they are disgusted by everything the Trump administration is doing and do not hold regressive views
But look my dude, you win bro. You got the updoots. You got the trophy. We can send a notification to the encyclopedia that their definition and article is sorely outdated and that they should change it.
Do you actually hold these views on politics and AI or are you just a social conflict junkie? I see you jumping to conclusions on things that, from your commenting and post history makes me think that it is intentional. I’m starting to suspect that you’re really not but engaging anywhere in good faith.
I do have these views. You can read all my comments, I’m pretty consistent on my stances and if I change them it’s because someone truly gave me reason to, with well justified arguments. I’m always open to changing my mind. The thing is i have evaluated my beliefs pretty well and the root is anti anthropocentric, so when your parting point is that humans are not special you tend to have friction with everyone because everyone’s views originate in human exceptionalism.
Also I find that like 99% of all political arguments are just tribalistic reactionary bs or emotionally charged, and I do not play that game.
You actually never gave me the definition. I saw you gave it to other people. So wrong again.
Like all of your definitions were “this is what this means in American politics”
You keep grasping at that straw, but I did see your definition (that you gave to other people) and addressed it. But you keep trying to pin everything as “AMERICAN!” somehow.
I really wonder if I should continue. I did start typing but it seems to be beating a dead horse. Have a great day!
JFC. Ok seeing your other comments let’s parse this out between normal terms and what I’ll call etymological terms.
I’m using the normal usage of the terms. The modern conservative movement doesn’t want gradual progress. They want to conserve the 1950s America, which at this point needs regression (see below for how you put that as reactionary). So normal terms you’re wrong.
Or more normal terms, the conservatives (yes I’m using that term) of the Nixon era did some things like the EPA. In which case you saying conservatives want gradual progress is comically outdated.
Maybe you’re trying what’s best described as etymological use of the term. If you want to go to etymology, conservatives want to conserve. They don’t want gradual progress. They want to conserve the King’s power. Using these etymological terms yes you can say regressive means reactionary. But again using these etymological terms you can not say that conservatives want gradual progress, because conservatives want to conserve. You are wrong again.
Take your pick of the three scenarios, you are either wrong, comically outdated, or wrong. This is seriously not worth continuing.
Wow you wrote all of that and still failed to leave American politics behind. But even within American politics still did not address what should be the label for people who fit the definition of conservative (gradual change) if conservative now means reactionary. And they absolutely need a label because they are actually the larger faction in American politics, as most people would say that they do not want radical change. Independents then? Are they liberals? Centrists? We need a name to give to this politically significant group.
But you really just want to win the argument.
Here you go you win 🏆🎉🥳
I addressed what seems to be your attempted etymological use (non American). So now you’re just sticking your head in the sand.
At what “seems to be your attempted etymological use” hahaha my guy I gave you the definition out of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Like all of your definitions were “this is what this means in American politics” and oh “this is what it meant in the 17th century”. But you failed to address how can a conservative be the same thing as a reactionary given that:
A) Conservatives exist outside of US politics currently and in the present day, and they hold conservative views, and call themselves conservatives yet do not hold regressive views
B) That conservatives exist right now inside the US, who call themselves conservatives, and they are disgusted by everything the Trump administration is doing and do not hold regressive views
But look my dude, you win bro. You got the updoots. You got the trophy. We can send a notification to the encyclopedia that their definition and article is sorely outdated and that they should change it.
Do you actually hold these views on politics and AI or are you just a social conflict junkie? I see you jumping to conclusions on things that, from your commenting and post history makes me think that it is intentional. I’m starting to suspect that you’re really not but engaging anywhere in good faith.
I do have these views. You can read all my comments, I’m pretty consistent on my stances and if I change them it’s because someone truly gave me reason to, with well justified arguments. I’m always open to changing my mind. The thing is i have evaluated my beliefs pretty well and the root is anti anthropocentric, so when your parting point is that humans are not special you tend to have friction with everyone because everyone’s views originate in human exceptionalism.
Also I find that like 99% of all political arguments are just tribalistic reactionary bs or emotionally charged, and I do not play that game.
Though I do enjoy debate, I’m not gonna lie.
You actually never gave me the definition. I saw you gave it to other people. So wrong again.
You keep grasping at that straw, but I did see your definition (that you gave to other people) and addressed it. But you keep trying to pin everything as “AMERICAN!” somehow.
I really wonder if I should continue. I did start typing but it seems to be beating a dead horse. Have a great day!