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    Mohammed married a 9 year-old child; whatever other benefits you envision, I don’t think that religion is a model of the solution here.

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      Regardless of the veracity of that statement, follow/worship the message, not the person. You read the Qur’an and tell me what you disagree with!

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          Eh, not really. Trichinosis is very much real and, before people could reliably check the temperature of the meat being cooked, “a pork chop could kill you!” (Chris Rock in some early 00s special, lol). Today, it’s mostly a sign of belonging, and ‘proves’ you can restrain yourself at least a little from all and every pleasure. And I stand by an alcohol prohibition, or at least being wary of its consumption. I’ve never met a single person who wouldn’t be an overall better human being if they simply stopped drinking/relying on it to handle situations, emotions and thoughts instead of approaching them soberly. You can tell me you enjoy booze (ofc!), but you can’t tell me in earnest it’s eudaimonically ‘good for you’.

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            and now that we know what is bad about pork they’ve revised their beliefs right?

            that’s the problem with religion: some rules were made thousands of years ago for a society that looked completely different and whose only way of dealing with the world was to make up myths to explain things they don’t know

            this is not applicable to modern society… you say spain should embrace their muslim roots, but why? morality isn’t inherent to religion, and id argue a lot of religion is inherently immoral - or at least, a lot of organised religion and religious people are very immoral compared to many atheists who approach these things from a “but why” perspective rather than a “because god said” perspective

            solve problems; don’t apply blanket rules that often don’t make sense

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              Because the well of Christianity has been poisoned since the time of the Romans and the West hasn’t produced anything to replace religion competently. And who does the pork ban/dislike hurt? Definitely not pigs! And God puts it on the same level as eating raw blood and carrion: it’s bad for you, bodily wise, not morally. And if you can’t even restrict yourself to not eat ONE of all the animals in the world, what will you control? Lol. Most of the Qur’an is nothing but moral precepts, and objective morality kinda does require the belief in God’s objective right and wrong judgements. Moral relativity is a plague in the West because they cannot even conceive the fact that some things are good and to be sought and others are bad and to be avoided. But no, the Western man thinks anything can go, it’s just ‘cultural differences’ and ‘don’t stop me, this is my life!’ (doesn’t believe in a Day of Judgment and doesn’t care about their impact in others life).

              The best advice I can give you is to read the Qur’an assuming most of what you’ve learned is nothing but wind. Your soul is in your hands, I did my part today.

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                same level as eating raw blood and carrion: it’s bad for you

                is it actually though? sources to prove it’s as bad as eating carrion please

                if you can’t even restrict yourself to not eat ONE of all the animals in the world

                completely false equivalence. i can if there’s a reason. if there’s no reason, why would i? and more importantly: why should anyone be able to push that opinion on anyone else… religion or not

                objective morality kinda does require the belief in God’s objective right and wrong judgements

                abbbbsolute bullshit… my morality comes from my existence in this world being a positive, or at least neutral one to other people… the huge majority of religion has caused pain and hardship for untold numbers of humanity… if that’s your “objective morality” then you should reexamine your philosophy from the ground up

                me, i don’t build my morality on what anyone else says - that’s how you lead to controlling bullshit like sex is bad, a woman’s place is in the home, etc… THAT is religious morality

                meanwhile you’re berating people for being immoral because they don’t follow your specific idea of what’s moral… what was that you said about “doesn’t care about their impact in others life”?

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                  If you try to be a righteous and prosocial person, I’m glad and I don’t feel like we disagree on anything important. Have a nice day!

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        edit: Fell for the oldest trick in the book - quoted Christianity labeled as Islam. Guess what? Christianity isn’t the solution here either, it’s equally repulsive.

        You read the Qur’an and tell me what you disagree with!

        I don’t typically waste my time with fairy stories, but sure, I’ll give you a few: I disagree with the paedophilia and child marriage, first and foremost, and I think it’s weird as fuck that you’ll just skate over that as though it’s not relevant in a story about children aspiring to sex work. I also disagree with the idea of cutting off someone’s hands for theft, as another example.

        Most people would probably list honour killings, but those aren’t actually part of Islam, it’s a leftover from the prior culture, so I won’t list it here and am instead explicitly calling it out as not being part of the religion for anyone who might not know. I not only don’t want to spread misinformation, I want to combat it.

        So yeah, I stand by that maybe it’s time to retire that catchphrase, bud. There’s plenty to disagree with in any religious text, the Qur’an is no different.