you’re just a incredibly dense individual. No worries though twitter will continue to hemorrhage its user base as its slide into irrelevance continues.
That’s… entirely delusional. Every stat I can find shows Twitter running pretty much flat since the whole mess started. It’s an order of magnitude larger than Bluesky (which itself seems to be down 15-25% this year) and two orders of magnitude larger than Masto, which is also flat YoY.
There is zero indication that Twitter is declining further and certainly if it is at all those users aren’t going to Fedi, BS or any other federated networks. Even if you believe that most of it is bots now it’s still bigger even discounting that, by most estimations, and it’s not shedding either users or bots towards decentralized networks.
At some point wishful thinking stops being optimism, you know?
How is it a dreamscape? I don’t like it. I don’t want it to be that way. It’s just… what reality seems to be based on every piece of information we can get from it. Time is moving things in the opposite direction you’re hoping for.
Your dreamscape is thinking numbers you have no way of verifying in any way tell a story.
The fact is the damage to twitter has been done socially and its on its way out. It’ll take time for people to find their new home and move over but its occurring and will continue to accelerate as time goes on.
I mean… yeah, I do have ways to verify them. For one thing I can get more than one source, which I did. For another this is not data pulled out of thin air, there are multiple proxies for web traffic. It’s not like we’ve built a entire worldwide economy of advertising and attention without any tools to get at least some notion of how may people are putting that attention where.
Is the Twitter brand damaged? Certainly. I wouldn’t touch it with a very long stick, myself.
So is Meta and Google and Apple. And yet, for as much as we are all aware that Meta actively participated in genocide and spied most of the planet illegally you know how their social media performs? Facebook is up to 3 billion users, Whatsapp is the default form of communications of big chunks of the planet, their social brands dominate social networking worldwide.
So hey, if you have some semblance of a timeline for when this social damage does anything practical I would appreciate a hint, because from down here in the real world it’s not looking particularly likely any time soon.
See, you don’t get to forecast the downfall of your political rivals on a limitless timeline. I am in agreement that Elon Musk will die sometime before the sun expands and engulfs the inner planets of the solar system, but that’s not much of a realistic prediction of Twitter’s performance in practical terms.
You didnt verify shit the only people who know the real number of twitter users is twitter and even that is up for debate given the prevelance of bot accounts. And its in their best interests to lie about the numbers.
And yes i do get to forecast its downfall, people are jumping off soon as their primary usecase is supported by other platforms, advertisers are leaving etc etc etc. its essentially a fascist hell hole walking at this point kept alive via funding by a fascist billionaires.
What i dont get to predict is the timeline because that is unknowable since it depends on a bunch of individuals finally pulling the trigger and that can take years even after a person decides to disassociate from the platform. Each individual having different thresholds for jumping ship etc. but as more and more people leave the faster the rest will follow.
The only thing keeping it relevant at this point is political news and that’ll disappear soon as another platform get sufficient reach.
Yeah, that’s what the word “proxy” means up there. I don’t need to get any of this data from Twitter directly to know which direction the number is going and where it is relative to previous years. It’s not moving the way you think it’s moving. And the numbers work with any number of bots because the size differences are so big that even going with the larger estimates where 3/4 of all of the damn thing is all bots it’s still several times larger than either BS or Masto, or even both put together.
Look, it’s okay to live in a vibes-driven world, I suppose. I can’t force you out of it. But maaaan, does it get in the way of having a normal conversation with someone else about a real thing that happens in the real world where we both need to agree on some semblance of reality.
I’m not even that angry that you are in denial about it, weirdly, but it’s mildly alarming and it makes this entire conversation retroactively feel like a massive waste of time.
I mean, it’s not, though. Things either happen or they don’t. You made a prediction that does not match reality.
you’re just a incredibly dense individual. No worries though twitter will continue to hemorrhage its user base as its slide into irrelevance continues.
That’s… entirely delusional. Every stat I can find shows Twitter running pretty much flat since the whole mess started. It’s an order of magnitude larger than Bluesky (which itself seems to be down 15-25% this year) and two orders of magnitude larger than Masto, which is also flat YoY.
There is zero indication that Twitter is declining further and certainly if it is at all those users aren’t going to Fedi, BS or any other federated networks. Even if you believe that most of it is bots now it’s still bigger even discounting that, by most estimations, and it’s not shedding either users or bots towards decentralized networks.
At some point wishful thinking stops being optimism, you know?
Shrug keep living in your dream scape. I dont have to convince you time will take care of it eventually.
How is it a dreamscape? I don’t like it. I don’t want it to be that way. It’s just… what reality seems to be based on every piece of information we can get from it. Time is moving things in the opposite direction you’re hoping for.
Your dreamscape is thinking numbers you have no way of verifying in any way tell a story.
The fact is the damage to twitter has been done socially and its on its way out. It’ll take time for people to find their new home and move over but its occurring and will continue to accelerate as time goes on.
I mean… yeah, I do have ways to verify them. For one thing I can get more than one source, which I did. For another this is not data pulled out of thin air, there are multiple proxies for web traffic. It’s not like we’ve built a entire worldwide economy of advertising and attention without any tools to get at least some notion of how may people are putting that attention where.
Is the Twitter brand damaged? Certainly. I wouldn’t touch it with a very long stick, myself.
So is Meta and Google and Apple. And yet, for as much as we are all aware that Meta actively participated in genocide and spied most of the planet illegally you know how their social media performs? Facebook is up to 3 billion users, Whatsapp is the default form of communications of big chunks of the planet, their social brands dominate social networking worldwide.
So hey, if you have some semblance of a timeline for when this social damage does anything practical I would appreciate a hint, because from down here in the real world it’s not looking particularly likely any time soon.
See, you don’t get to forecast the downfall of your political rivals on a limitless timeline. I am in agreement that Elon Musk will die sometime before the sun expands and engulfs the inner planets of the solar system, but that’s not much of a realistic prediction of Twitter’s performance in practical terms.
You didnt verify shit the only people who know the real number of twitter users is twitter and even that is up for debate given the prevelance of bot accounts. And its in their best interests to lie about the numbers.
And yes i do get to forecast its downfall, people are jumping off soon as their primary usecase is supported by other platforms, advertisers are leaving etc etc etc. its essentially a fascist hell hole walking at this point kept alive via funding by a fascist billionaires.
What i dont get to predict is the timeline because that is unknowable since it depends on a bunch of individuals finally pulling the trigger and that can take years even after a person decides to disassociate from the platform. Each individual having different thresholds for jumping ship etc. but as more and more people leave the faster the rest will follow.
The only thing keeping it relevant at this point is political news and that’ll disappear soon as another platform get sufficient reach.
Yeah, that’s what the word “proxy” means up there. I don’t need to get any of this data from Twitter directly to know which direction the number is going and where it is relative to previous years. It’s not moving the way you think it’s moving. And the numbers work with any number of bots because the size differences are so big that even going with the larger estimates where 3/4 of all of the damn thing is all bots it’s still several times larger than either BS or Masto, or even both put together.
Look, it’s okay to live in a vibes-driven world, I suppose. I can’t force you out of it. But maaaan, does it get in the way of having a normal conversation with someone else about a real thing that happens in the real world where we both need to agree on some semblance of reality.
I’m not even that angry that you are in denial about it, weirdly, but it’s mildly alarming and it makes this entire conversation retroactively feel like a massive waste of time.