• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
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    2 days ago

    It really makes you pessimistic about human nature that you can build a society where freedom is widely celebrated as the highest ideal, yet somehow still have it be incredibly oppressive.

    • jaybone@lemmy.zip
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      2 days ago

      It’s not a new concept.

      Though it’s quite amazing, with the level of access to information we have today, how effective such propaganda is.

      Though I suppose if you are manipulating that information to spin your agenda, maybe it’s not so surprising after all.

    • Pup Biru@aussie.zone
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      2 days ago

      freedom is always a balancing act: freedom from (persecution), freedom to (do what you like)

      too much freedom from and you’re protected from making bad decisions and can’t do anything you want to do

      too much freedom too and you get people persecuting their out group because it’s their right

      imo america really has the freedom to as the only freedom a lot of people care about, and a lot of people have no understanding that freedom from is just as important; they champion freedom like that, and in some sense it’s kinda true

      there’s an empathy barrier for those people: they’re not persecuted, so there’s no need for the freedom from (despite what they say about “christian persecution” this is freedom to discriminate and other shit wrapped in a freedom from facade)

      (i’d also argue that american capitalism/corporatism is the anti-freedom-to: money gives you freedom to, and the dire economic state of the majority means most americans have token freedom to rather than actual ability to do what they like)

      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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        I just want the freedom to be left alone, I want to live as my forefathers did. In the woods with a hound and half insane before I crawl out in my mid 40s because it gets too rough at that point.