“it is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel. Our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is separate to this sort of ethnonationalist state”
“I cannot work with somebody who justifies or supports the genocide. I can’t. It’s as simple as that, and we shouldn’t be able to do that. In this industry, and in any other industry,”
At this point, you don’t even need to be pro-Palestine to be against the Gaza genocide. You just need to be against, you know, genocides. The bar is in the basement, even centrist Israeli liberal zionists are able to pass it. But somehow this is now “radical” politics.
I would be against a Gaza genocide
But somehow this is now “radical” politics.
Agreed
Look at all these violent leftists being outraged by senseless violence! When will their tyranny end!?! /s
Gotta love the use of “Pro Palestine” here, as if the only reason to be upset about genocide is because you have particularly strong feelings towards the specific people being genocided. God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why.
The position “I don’t care about factions, group, tribes or whatever other fucked up up of reducing humans to labels, what I care about is innocent people being made to suffer” is surprisingly badly taken at times even around here.
I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.
Even people whose heart is in the right place nowadays seem to come at it from a “chose a faction” angle rather than from a Principled Humanist one.
It’s way easier to manipulate people who support factions (just look at how the Zionists weaponized the support for the Jewish People) than it is to manipulate people who see things based on principles like “people who do no harm to others shouldn’t be harmed” as the latter will judge actions based on their merits alone, not on the labels of the people involved.
I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.
I think part of the reason being pro-people makes others angry is because everyone is so polarized politically. A lot more people than usual are approaching politics expecting that you’re either supporting my ideals or not supporting them. Which may as well be opposing them and opposing ‘our’ ideals is your moral failing. Nuance is gone, the political center is gone. At least until there are some serious changes.
God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why.
I get the sentiment, but is this really true? Gotta be honest when I say that genocide of Nazis doesn’t bother me. There’s a case where it is accepted. It may be extremely small, but there’s still a case.
Yea this is so stupid. This is not a sport. We’re talking about human lives. As with everything in life, I’m pro-whatever brings the greatest good. I want both Israelis and Palestinians to live a good life, in dignity.
I always refer to my position as “against the genocide”.
I would definitely take it a step further call out the Israel defenders as pro-genocide.
Pro-genocide actor, child-groomer and “comedian” Jerry Seinfeld denounced the “Free Palestine” movement as antisemitic in a surprise appearance at a Tuesday Duke event, likening it to rhetoric from the Ku Klux Klan during his introduction of a former Israeli hostage.
edit: forgot child groomer
I have long been of the opinion that if you read newspaper headlines like a WWF announcer, it really is indiscernible.
PRO-PALESTINE ACTORS ABSOLUTELY SLAM APARTHEID CLYDE, TAKING A SIXTY FOOT PLUNGE OFF OF HELL IN A CELL AND DIRECTLY ONTO AN ANNOUNCERS’ TABLE!!! BAWGAWD, THAT’S TRUMP’S THEME MUSIC
I stopped using pro palestine and use anti occupation , anti genocide, pro palestinian liberation.
God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why
Palestine is the only place where there is a war of extemination right now
Palestine is the only place where there is a war of extemination right now
Listen, I am about as active as any non-Israeli or non-Palestinian can be in anti-genocide discourse, but you’re smoking crack if you think that Russia’s intentions for Ukraine are to simply absorb their government and people. Russians by and by large do not believe Ukrainian culture is a thing, and in fact, have been breaking chunks off from their culture and absorbing it as their own since Moscow was founded by a couple of guys who got lost in the woods.
Russia’s goal is absolute cultural annihilation, and their actions have fit the standard definition of genocide since 2022.
Russians by and by large do not believe Ukrainian culture is a thing
Yes Putin don’t believe Ukrainian should not exist , he want to assimilate them to become Russians that’s why he is kidnapping Ukrainians kids and why during the interview with Carlson he was claiming about how Russians and Ukrainians are historically one people.
As opposed to Israel which considered Palestinians just Arab colonizers and them just the righteous people who is going back to their land so they want them either expulsed to Egypt and other countries or kill them
Both genocides are terrible but the Israeli one is another level of evilness. You are an idiot if you believe otherwise
As opposed to Israel which considered Palestinians just Arab colonizers and them just the righteous people who is going back to their land so they want them either expulsed to Egypt and other countries or kill them
??? This is literally the official position of the Russian Federation — they consider Ukrainians colonizers who unjustly rebelled and stole Russian land, assets, and production. Putin does not want to assimilate Ukrainians; the intention is total extermination and replacement with ethnic Russians, and always has been.
I am not here to debate which genocide is worse, because plainly, Palestinians are suffering yawning abuses that would make even Mussolini blush. I am just saying that Palestine is not the only active genocide happening in the world right now. Ukraine can fight back; Palestine cannot. That is plainly on a different level. There’s no need to imply I am an idiot just because I pay attention to other stuff happening in parts of the world that don’t report in English.
This is literally the official position of the Russian Federation — they consider Ukrainians colonizers who unjustly rebelled and stole Russian land, assets, and production. Putin does not want to assimilate Ukrainians; the intention is total extermination and replacement with ethnic Russians, and always has been
Which Putin statements prove that they think Ukrainians are colonizers and that they want to exterminate the people and kick them out rather than exterminate their culture?
Palestine is not the only active genocide happening in the world right now
And i never denied that but the truth is that the situation in Gaza is a lot more urgent and severe. Ukraine still have an army to defend itself, Ukraine still receive billions to defend itself, Ukraine don’t have a famine, Ukraine doesn’t have almost all it’s school, , hospital destroyed and almost it’s agricultural land damaged
“But you see, my genocide is so much worse than your genocide.”
Of course one genocide is worse than another. Are you dumb? Is a genocide where you want to kick out all people of the land or kill then similar to a genocide where you simply just kill the culture and assimilate them to your culture? Or a genocide where a small part of the population is genocide as bad as a genocide where the majority of the population is killed?
All genocide should be prevented and called out.
I hate awards shows because of all the preaching these rich assholes do.
Still, I appreciate that they did this. (And still glad I didn’t sit through it.)
Bardem doesn’t come across that way to me
Einbinder later told Variety that “it is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel. Our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is separate to this sort of ethnonationalist state”.
Einbinder seems pretty legit too
Good. The genocide is so disgusting.
They slammed it, did they? Good for them
They never elaborate what kind of slam it was. I’m going to with a body slam. Could also be something like slamming their hand in a door. That’s pretty bad too.
Exactly the same as the “trump isn’t a REAL christian!”.
No, he’s a christian, funded by christian extremists.
Israel is a theocracy, and the homeland for the jewish religion. They’re the head of the religion. So now you have “Israelis aren’t REAL jews!” as a reaction. No. They’re jewish, that’s what the jewish religion is. That’s what all religions do when they achieve theocracy. They start fighting other religions, genociding them, and create religious terror.
You would have thought that they would have learned from WWII about genocide and conservative religious nazi behavior - but if they can’t learn it from that - no religion ever can.
It’s just another genocidial religion. The time to stop giving them a pass when they started genociding a religion that was intent on genociding them. Instead of using diplomacy and rationality to achieve peace.
You conflate Judaism with Zionism, and this makes your comment antisemitic.
Edit: Being anti-zionist makes sense. See Jewish Voice for Peace - On Antisemitism, Anti-Zionism and Dangerous Conflations
You should look up what we read on Shabbat Zakhor, you might be surprised.
Actually Supreme Court Justice David Mintz this year said: “Jewish law recognizes three justifications for war, to inherit the land, to destroy Amalek, and to defend against an attacker.” in defense of starving the Palestinians to death. To say that this situation has nothing to do with Judaism is beyond ridiculous. Now, where we get into antisemitic territory is when we say not only “all Jews think like this” but also “they think like this because they are Jews”. There is a big difference and it is important.
I don’t see anything surprising in what you describe. It is well known that Zionism uses Judaism as a tool for its settler colonialism for well over a century now. The Bund wrote anti-zionist songs at the time.
Clearly, Judaism and Zionism are not synonyms, nor have they ever been.
It is the Zionist state of Israel that tries to present Judaism and Zionism as synonyms. We shouldn’t fall for Zionist propaganda / Israeli propaganda / Hasbara, call it as you want, these are synonyms. And this is why we need to call out both Zionism and antisemitism.
Saying that Israel is a theocracy (…) because this is what the Jewish religion is, not only is an uniformed statement, it is also an antisemitic one. Israel is a settler collonial theocracy because of Zionist principals. (And the support from the West - meaning, the decendents of the christians and/or europeans that were procecuting Jewish populations for centuries. I won’t expand on this now.)
If it was religious war. Saudi wouldn’t collaborate with israel while pretending to care about palestinians
