This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
I think more people on this platform are using it correctly than many of us realize. I think there are many unironically anti-human-rights activists who want the USA to deteriorate further.
I also have never seen any modern system other than capitalism in practice, so by your definition leftists don’t even exist.
We’re talking about what’s leftism not what’s possible. If you promote a system where more people suffer, such as forcefully dismantling capitalism, then you’re not progressive.
Most people who claim to oppose capitalism cant even describe what it is.
I think Capitalism is the only system ever implemented at large scales and that fighting it into something else is like trying to move a river by hand. Be better to just heavily regulate it in a stable democracy.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
In my opinion people who oppose human rights are not leftists so there is no distinction between liberal and leftist.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
I think more people on this platform are using it correctly than many of us realize. I think there are many unironically anti-human-rights activists who want the USA to deteriorate further.
I also have never seen any modern system other than capitalism in practice, so by your definition leftists don’t even exist.
Huh? Are you saying it’s impossible to live in capitalism and be opposed to it?
We’re talking about what’s leftism not what’s possible. If you promote a system where more people suffer, such as forcefully dismantling capitalism, then you’re not progressive.
Most people who claim to oppose capitalism cant even describe what it is.
So you think capitalism is the best possible system and there’s no point in trying something better?
I don’t think you’re a leftist then.
I think Capitalism is the only system ever implemented at large scales and that fighting it into something else is like trying to move a river by hand. Be better to just heavily regulate it in a stable democracy.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
Yeah.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.