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    … you think the late 60s and early 70s didn’t have massive economic and social uncertainty,

    That was when single-income households were a thing and you could pay for college with a summer job, so I’m gonna say “not enough for a fascist takeover.” “Boohoo black people can have rights” is fundamentally different from “I am one missed paycheck away from eviction and homelessness.”

    weakness of left-wing movements,

    Yes I do, duh. This was coming out of the Civil Rights Movement and heading into the Vietnam War protests. The CIA and FBI were off the leash specifically because leftwing movements were a real threat to the government’s interests. Compare to the modern day when most of the population’s idea of a radical leftist is Bernie Sanders.

    low trust in democracy and institutions,

    Yes and it’s not even a contest.

    centralization of power and unwillingness or inability to hold leaders accountable?

    Again, Watergate. None of these factors have to be perfect or even good in an objective sense not to lead to fascism, but the decline is very noticeable.

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      That was when single-income households were a thing and you could pay for college with a summer job, so I’m gonna say “not enough for a fascist takeover.” “Boohoo black people can have rights” is fundamentally different from “I am one missed paycheck away from eviction and homelessness.”

      God, I love the modern day, when even our leftists believe in MAGA nostalgia.

      Yes I do, duh. This was coming out of the Civil Rights Movement and heading into the Vietnam War protests. The CIA and FBI were off the leash specifically because leftwing movements were a real threat to the government’s interests.

      You’re fucking kidding me.

      The CIA had been off its leash since the Eisenhower administration, and the 1970s is when a wider perception in government that they might be a problem emerged. The FBI had been developing a much darker edge than intended under Hoover’s entire tenure as FBI head.

      Would you like to elaborate how the Civil Rights Movement was against the Federal government’s interests? Or how the Vietnam War protests were a serious threat to government policy, when Nixon’s entire policy was based around extricating the US from Vietnam without looking ‘weak’ to the base?

      Compare to the modern day when most of the population’s idea of a radical leftist is Bernie Sanders.

      … would you like to cite any major politician in the Nixon era as radical as Sanders? This not being an exhortation of how radical Sanders is, but a condemnation of how conservative the 60s and 70s actually were? The closest you would get is McGovern (who was very liberal, and not even vaguely socialist), and he was crushed in a landslide.

      Again, Watergate. None of these factors have to be perfect or even good in an objective sense not to lead to fascism, but the decline is very noticeable.

      The only reason Nixon was confronted was because the Republicans felt like they had lost control of the narrative. He wasn’t confronted by the GOP when the news first broke - it took literal years. If Trump is confronted for losing control of the narrative and replaced with Vance, will you think that fascism in the US has been ‘successfully’ curbed?