I donāt even know how to parse that rambling, bad faith nonsense. Where you actually engaged with my points, you completely misunderstood them.
This is a waste of my time. Go back and reread until you actually understand, or keep spinning yourself in circles if you want, but Iām not engaging further with someone whoās either arguing in bad faith or literally incapable of understanding basic reasoning.
When you can understand basic reasoning, join the grownups. Bye.
Remember kids, when someone disagrees with you in a way you canāt handle. Itās not the time for introspection; theyāre āconfusedā, āgrandstandingā, āperformativeā, āineffectiveā and ājuvenileā. - The rationalist guide to argument.
Remember kids, when youāre losing an argument, thatās not time for introspection. It was a āwaste of timeā - a rationalistās guide to argument.
Bye
What does it mean when someone says ābyeā and doesnāt leave? I mean you just said bye, and here you are again? What gives?
We donāt agree thatās fine. What I thing is not fine is that this comment was me just re-stating what Iāve already said. If I wasnt on mobile I think this could have all been quotes from previous comments. I donāt think youāve said anything substantially new either, that must be frustrating too.
Let me know if you can be convinced that: perhaps voting for a party that, by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so) might not be in your best interest. Or let me know if you think of a new reason why voting for a party that, by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so) might be in someone elseās best interest. Weāve covered: theyāre the ābadā in the āworse, bad, worseā cycle, and you donāt want the worse, so take the bad. Weāve covered: you donāt think good will win, so you wonāt vote for them, and because you wonāt vote for them you donāt think theyāll win, so vote bad.
Remember kids, when youāre losing an argument, thatās not time for introspection.
Yes, this has been you the entire time: ignoring the argument, doubling down on refuted claims, trying to reverse it when that doesnāt work, and refusing to examine your own flawed logic.
Itās not a waste of time because Iām losing, because Iām not. Itās a waste of time because your points are so bad and incoherent that youāre either acting in bad faith, or youāre not capable of engaging with logic.
Youāre not an ally, youāre an agent provocateur, the left doesnāt need you.
You cannot even be trusted to leave when you say youāre going to. When your words have such little value to you, why do you believe anyone else should value them higher. Go away.
Yes, this has been you the entire time: ignoring the argument, doubling down on refuted claims, trying to reverse it when that doesnāt work, and refusing to examine your own flawed logic.
Remember kids, when losing an argument take everything you been shown to be doing and claim the other person does it. It works for DJT, surely it will work for you. -The rationalistās guide to argument
Bye
What does it mean when someone says ābyeā and doesnāt leave? I mean you just said bye, and here you are again? What gives?
No, actually what gives? Imagine trying to claim any amount of bad faith on my part when you canāt even be trusted to leave when you said you were going to. You said you were going, so GO.
I have been empathetic to your claims and feel youāve explained yourself well. Fascism=bad, genocide=bad, why you voted what you voted, and why you donāt like what others are doing was all communicated well. For what itās worth, and at risk of repeating myself, I see damage limitation as a valid POV.
I obviously dont feel like youāve granted me the same courtesy of empathy, and Iām sure you think Iām as confused as ever.
Thatās ok, I think people reading after will understand the claim that supporting dem is a cycle of bad-worse-bad-worse, until there is no worse to goā¦ or you change for something āgoodā instead of āleast badā.
I think theyāll see that a new party is a very real option itās happened before (when did UK Labour start, who did they replace) itās happening now (who the fuck were Reform UK last election cycle). UK is a FPTP 2 party system too.
I think theyāll see that opposing genocide is a valid and good priority have. Convincing the electorate to vote the exact right amount of genocide: canāt be too much (republican), canāt be too little (anyone else), the genocide amount has to be just right (dem). That was was a foolish campaign for dem leadership to run, blame those in power.
Thatās a point, it came and went but I think theyāll see that we blame leadership (the people with the power) in every field. Except politics for some reason, then itās the little guyās fault. āSure Elon musk is a cunt, but have you seen the way Jerry sweeps floors, thatās whatās really fucking the stockā, āFacebook maybe designed to be a rage inducing, attention hogging machine by the Zuck, but if we just had more users, maybe weāll reverse the systemic alt-right pipelineā.
We donāt agree thatās fine. What I thing is not fine is that this comment was me just re-stating what Iāve already said. If I wasnt on mobile I think this could have all been quotes from previous comments. I donāt think youāve said anything substantially new either, that must be frustrating too.
Let me know if you can be convinced that: perhaps voting for a party that, by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so) might not be in your best interest. Or let me know if you think of a new reason why voting for a party that, by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so) might be in someone elseās best interest. Weāve covered: theyāre the ābadā in the āworse, bad, worseā cycle, and you donāt want the worse, so take the bad. Weāve covered: you donāt think good will win, so you wonāt vote for them, and because you wonāt vote for them you donāt think theyāll win, so vote bad.
Actually, just go away. You announced your departure 5 hours ago. Youāve tried to dismiss me in every āthought terminatingā way you could. Why are you still here?! Why āwaste your timeā? Why, if I lack the ability to learn do you still harass me? Please leave me alone.
Why āwaste your timeā? Why, if I lack the ability to learn do you still harass me?
So real leftists didnāt fall for your counterproductive drivel, obviously. I think Iām satisfied now, no oneās reading this far down your fallacious, nonsensical rants. Iām gone for good now.
Why are you still in my mentions. You canāt be trusted to say bye honestly, why should anyone trust you. Go away.
Meanwhile, I showed why your position was wrong continually, remember this:
You keep trying to frame it this way, this is wrong. The analogy doesnāt work with your substitutions. Third parties are smoking, Democrats are not smoking. Switching it around doesnāt work, the conditions are fundamentally different.
This is an assertion with nothing to back it up.
Axiom 1 Genocide is cancer, we agree genocide is bad.
Axiom 2. Voting for genocide is smoking
Axiom 3. Democrats support genocide.
For hours you couldnāt figure out why, in your own analogy, Dems were represented by chain smoking. You just kept asserting that they werenāt. Then I gave it to you step by step and you dropped it.
Thatās the difference between you just asserting a postion, and me demonstrating one. Thatās just one instance, remember this:
This is called a double standard. When judging others you judge them by the result of their actions and not their intentions. But you, you want to be judged by the intention of your actions and not the results.
People who oppose fascism at all costs inc genocide: well intentioned, it doesnāt matter their result.
People who oppose genocide at all costs inc Fascism: achieved nothing, it doesnāt matter their intention.
Double standards highlighted immediately. You never did see it, did you? Because your position never changed. It was still judging othersā for the results of the their actions, but demanding you be judged by your intention.
Real leftistsā¢ (hello fellow leftists, jesus)will see your position for the obstructionary nonsense it is: demanding zero progress. Instead supporting a party, that by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so). Making the same demands the āwhite moderatesā did for civil rights. Never accepting change until itās forced upon them, and pretending they supported it all along.
History has lessons for you, read it, learn it, then get out of the activistsā way.
Youāre right no-one is reading this far down. Fortunately, me constantly pointing out the flaws in your arguments is all up where it will be read, you didnāt bury any of it, thatās not how threads work. You misrepresented me immediately, and was called out for it immediately. You were wrong multiple time and were shown to be immediately. All where it can be seen.
None of this down here matters, you achieved nothing here, just like supporting Dems achieved nothing.
Youāre going away for good? I sure hope so, but youāve proven yourself wrong about when youāre going before.
I donāt even know how to parse that rambling, bad faith nonsense. Where you actually engaged with my points, you completely misunderstood them.
This is a waste of my time. Go back and reread until you actually understand, or keep spinning yourself in circles if you want, but Iām not engaging further with someone whoās either arguing in bad faith or literally incapable of understanding basic reasoning.
When you can understand basic reasoning, join the grownups. Bye.
Really? A āno uā? Grown up indeed.
Remember kids, when someone disagrees with you in a way you canāt handle. Itās not the time for introspection; theyāre āconfusedā, āgrandstandingā, āperformativeā, āineffectiveā and ājuvenileā. - The rationalist guide to argument.
That isā¦ an improbably ironic response. Like I said, a waste of time.
Remember kids, when youāre losing an argument, thatās not time for introspection. It was a āwaste of timeā - a rationalistās guide to argument.
What does it mean when someone says ābyeā and doesnāt leave? I mean you just said bye, and here you are again? What gives?
Yes, this has been you the entire time: ignoring the argument, doubling down on refuted claims, trying to reverse it when that doesnāt work, and refusing to examine your own flawed logic.
Itās not a waste of time because Iām losing, because Iām not. Itās a waste of time because your points are so bad and incoherent that youāre either acting in bad faith, or youāre not capable of engaging with logic.
Youāre not an ally, youāre an agent provocateur, the left doesnāt need you.
You cannot even be trusted to leave when you say youāre going to. When your words have such little value to you, why do you believe anyone else should value them higher. Go away.
Remember kids, when losing an argument take everything you been shown to be doing and claim the other person does it. It works for DJT, surely it will work for you. -The rationalistās guide to argument
No, actually what gives? Imagine trying to claim any amount of bad faith on my part when you canāt even be trusted to leave when you said you were going to. You said you were going, so GO.
Actually, just go away. You announced your departure 5 hours ago. Youāve tried to dismiss me in every āthought terminatingā way you could. Why are you still here?! Why āwaste your timeā? Why, if I lack the ability to learn do you still harass me? Please leave me alone.
So real leftists didnāt fall for your counterproductive drivel, obviously. I think Iām satisfied now, no oneās reading this far down your fallacious, nonsensical rants. Iām gone for good now.
Why are you still in my mentions. You canāt be trusted to say bye honestly, why should anyone trust you. Go away.
Meanwhile, I showed why your position was wrong continually, remember this:
For hours you couldnāt figure out why, in your own analogy, Dems were represented by chain smoking. You just kept asserting that they werenāt. Then I gave it to you step by step and you dropped it.
Thatās the difference between you just asserting a postion, and me demonstrating one. Thatās just one instance, remember this:
Double standards highlighted immediately. You never did see it, did you? Because your position never changed. It was still judging othersā for the results of the their actions, but demanding you be judged by your intention.
Real leftistsā¢ (hello fellow leftists, jesus)will see your position for the obstructionary nonsense it is: demanding zero progress. Instead supporting a party, that by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so). Making the same demands the āwhite moderatesā did for civil rights. Never accepting change until itās forced upon them, and pretending they supported it all along.
History has lessons for you, read it, learn it, then get out of the activistsā way.
Youāre right no-one is reading this far down. Fortunately, me constantly pointing out the flaws in your arguments is all up where it will be read, you didnāt bury any of it, thatās not how threads work. You misrepresented me immediately, and was called out for it immediately. You were wrong multiple time and were shown to be immediately. All where it can be seen.
None of this down here matters, you achieved nothing here, just like supporting Dems achieved nothing.
Youāre going away for good? I sure hope so, but youāve proven yourself wrong about when youāre going before.