When ICE shows up. There are no nonviolent protest. Right now the violence is just in one direction.
Do you think an organized group of people physically protecting a Grandma from state violence is any less effective in radicalizing people? I’d argue it’s MORE effective. Do you think people want to go out and protest when they are surrounded by other people that will stand by and do nothing when they get grabbed?
All nonviolence is doing is allowing ICE to do their true violence in private. We don’t resist so they take someone away and do their violence off camera. They take their children away. They put them into camps and brutalize them. They kill them in a means that is not public or passed off to another country to do it for them.
Does resisting increase the risk of a lethal act at that time? Yes. But lethal acts are already happening. Right now they’re just happening off camera and “a man found dead in ICE detention” is the story.
Standing by and doing nothing is not reducing harm and it’s not helping radicalize people. It’s just allowing the state to do it’s violence off camera while still filling the media with lies of violent protesters.
Showing people what organized physical resistance actually looks like gives people that are already on the streets hope and solidarity. I know. I’ve experienced it.
Do you think an organized group of people physically protecting a Grandma from state violence is any less effective in radicalizing people?
Yes. As soon as ICE blood starts spilling onto the streets, you lose the normies real quick. And then the bad guys have justification (in the eyes of some) in hitting back even harder.
Do you think people want to go out and protest when they are surrounded by other people that will stand by and do nothing when they get grabbed?
Ehh I never said do nothing. There’s quite a large gulf between “de-arrest” / “put cones over pepper bombs” and “shooting people”. I do think most people don’t want to go out and protest if it’s really “go out and engage in armed conflict with the state.”
Do you think people want to go out and protest when they are surrounded by other people that will stand by and do nothing when they get grabbed?
You’re conflating violence with resistance. The two are not the same. One could argue one is a subset of the other.
Standing by and doing nothing
Again, that’s not what I’m advocating.
Showing people what organized physical resistance actually looks like gives people that are already on the streets hope and solidarity. I know. I’ve experienced it.
I’m curious. If you don’t mind sharing, where/how did you experience this? What was the resistance?
When ICE shows up. There are no nonviolent protest. Right now the violence is just in one direction.
Do you think an organized group of people physically protecting a Grandma from state violence is any less effective in radicalizing people? I’d argue it’s MORE effective. Do you think people want to go out and protest when they are surrounded by other people that will stand by and do nothing when they get grabbed?
All nonviolence is doing is allowing ICE to do their true violence in private. We don’t resist so they take someone away and do their violence off camera. They take their children away. They put them into camps and brutalize them. They kill them in a means that is not public or passed off to another country to do it for them.
Does resisting increase the risk of a lethal act at that time? Yes. But lethal acts are already happening. Right now they’re just happening off camera and “a man found dead in ICE detention” is the story.
Standing by and doing nothing is not reducing harm and it’s not helping radicalize people. It’s just allowing the state to do it’s violence off camera while still filling the media with lies of violent protesters.
Showing people what organized physical resistance actually looks like gives people that are already on the streets hope and solidarity. I know. I’ve experienced it.
Yes. As soon as ICE blood starts spilling onto the streets, you lose the normies real quick. And then the bad guys have justification (in the eyes of some) in hitting back even harder.
Ehh I never said do nothing. There’s quite a large gulf between “de-arrest” / “put cones over pepper bombs” and “shooting people”. I do think most people don’t want to go out and protest if it’s really “go out and engage in armed conflict with the state.”
You’re conflating violence with resistance. The two are not the same. One could argue one is a subset of the other.
Again, that’s not what I’m advocating.
I’m curious. If you don’t mind sharing, where/how did you experience this? What was the resistance?