• NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Uh? what? Among progressives. Among Dem voters? Among Muslims? Among the people the dems needed their votes? How many polls? Lol the support wasn’t enough to win her an election. So Ya.

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      3 days ago

      Among Americans in general. If she opposed Israel she would have lost outright. There likely will not be an anti-Israel candidate in the Oval Office any time soon.

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        2 days ago

        And I’m sorry but this just hit me.

        she would have lost outright.

        She would have lost outright…

        She. Would. Have. Lost. Outright.

        Compared to… (check notes) Lossing!?

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          2 days ago

          An outright loss means she would never have a chance of winning. Taking the much less popular view would not make it more likely for her to win. Did you really need that clarified for you?

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            2 days ago

            Outright

            So you’re saying you know exactly how greater her loss would have been if she didn’t stand up for human rights? If you know that since outright loss means, never had a chance. So since she didn’t outright loss what did she need to do to get more votes from the right or left?

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              1 day ago

              2nd definition- instantaneously was that really hard to placein context?

              Do you need someone to explain to you that taking the less popular opinion will not make it more likely for her to win?

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                  1 day ago

                  Did you mean first past the post? That’s not as much of a factor as the pro-Israel position was the more popular position and thus more likely to gain votes.

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                    19 hours ago

                    Popular on the right and center. Not the progressive base. So she would have lost by now votes is your unsubstantiated claim. Okay… So by losing more and would have lost more of the presidency? Are you saying winning by 1 vote or 1 million isn’t the same in our system?

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        3 days ago

        Among Americans in general.

        Americans in general includes every last republican who would never vote for her. Centrist democrats need to quit trying to get the fascist vote just because they deeply admire all fascists.

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        2 days ago

        being anti genicide doesn’t make you anti Israel. Simply not giving them the tools to do harm wouldn’t even be enough. We need to actively protect both sides from each other, and return to original boundaries. That’s not anti Israel. That’s pro human.