is you making the assumption that we were demonizing you bc you claim to be white straight males
It’s not an assumption. It’s what he’s literally saying. This isn’t about us as individuals but about men as whole.
The most white male take in the world.
Is the whiniest white male shit in the world.
Comments like this couldn’t be made about any other demographic without sounding blatantly bigoted - but somehow it’s fine when it’s about white men. It just gets under my skin when people dismiss men’s issues and act as if it’s some kind of competition over who has it worse. Seventy-five percent of the people who die by suicide in the U.S. are men. What ever “white male privilege” there is in the world, it isn’t helping these men at all.
While it is tragic that so many men are killing themselves, it is largely reported to be due to guilt, because many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope. It is really fucking sad that they felt that was the correct way to deal with it instead of rising up to help marginalized groups. They could have been more helpful alive than dead.
Which is back to my point that you seem to have not responded to: These men are troubled and feel guilty, some just get angry and mean about it or kill themselves instead of trying to be a force for positive change.
We need not strip these men of any shred of dignity they have left, they actively made the choice to kill themselves over the guilt. That was the last way in which they chose to excersize their free will, let’s not make them out to have had no agency, suicide is always a choice. They could have chosen to let go of the guilt that was never really their burden to carry if they were free of wrongdoing and instead just become dedicated to helping people.
many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope.
That’s not true. The high suicide rate among men today largely stems from a sense of worthlessness, uselessness, and lack of meaning in life. Many of these men struggle to find steady work, meaningful relationships, or close friendships. They feel isolated, excluded, and invisible to society. On top of that, men are often discouraged from expressing vulnerability or asking for help, so their suffering stays hidden until it becomes unbearable.
The suicide rates amongst white people (3.1% in the US) are lower than nearly any other group, according to the CDC.
In 2023, the overall U.S. age-adjusted suicide rate was 14.1 per 100,000. Rates were lowest among non-Hispanic Asian (Asian) persons (6.5) and highest among non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native (AI/AN) (23.8), non-Hispanic White (White) (17.6), and non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander (NH/PI) persons (17.3) (Table) (Supplementary Figure). During 2018–2023, although overall U.S. age-adjusted suicide rates did not change, age-adjusted rates did change by race and ethnicity, increasing significantly among non-Hispanic Black or African American (Black) (25.2%) and Hispanic persons (10.0%) and declining significantly among White persons (3.1%). Rate differences among NH/PI persons were not significant because of small numbers. From 2021 to 2023, overall rates among AI/AN persons declined significantly (15.3%).
Additionally, this study shows that only 1.4% of cisgender males have seriously attempted suicide requiring medical care, compared to 15.4 percent of trangender men, for example. So yes, of course suicide and depression are a reality for white men, but trans men are doing 11x worse, for example. That’s why it seems pathetic for straight white men to be complaining they are the victim here.
I agree the data shows more men commit suicide than women. All I’m pointing out is that if you factor in the risk profiles based on other characteristics (like race) then cis white men are orders of magnitude less likely to commit suicide than non-white men, trans men, gay men, etc. They are a low risk group, comparatively.
But I’m sure we can agree that all lives are equally valuable - so in that sense, we shouldn’t be downplaying the issues of the demographic from which the vast majority of deaths come in absolute numbers. This isn’t a competition over who has it the worst, nor does helping one group mean we can ignore the others. When people are unwell, it doesn’t just affect them individually - it’s a societal issue that impacts everyone.
The feel isolated, excluded, and invisible in society.
I have seen it cited numerous times as white male guilt. But also to your reasons, they probobly do feel alone, because the right wing white male mob has convinced them that they should feel like that by convincing them that we hate them and want nothing to do with them. And as soon as they act like rightwing propoganda soldiers, we really don’t want anything to do with them for fear of rape and murder if you want the truth (bc the same suicide demographic is the highest in those categories too, btw). So yes, if you must boil it down to us hating them for being white and male, go for that I guess, but they and their propaganda echo chambers are the ones reenforcing their self-pitying “oh poor me” attitude.
It’s not an assumption. It’s what he’s literally saying. This isn’t about us as individuals but about men as whole.
Comments like this couldn’t be made about any other demographic without sounding blatantly bigoted - but somehow it’s fine when it’s about white men. It just gets under my skin when people dismiss men’s issues and act as if it’s some kind of competition over who has it worse. Seventy-five percent of the people who die by suicide in the U.S. are men. What ever “white male privilege” there is in the world, it isn’t helping these men at all.
While it is tragic that so many men are killing themselves, it is largely reported to be due to guilt, because many of these men seem to have realized they had more priviledge and couldn’t see a way to cope. It is really fucking sad that they felt that was the correct way to deal with it instead of rising up to help marginalized groups. They could have been more helpful alive than dead.
Which is back to my point that you seem to have not responded to: These men are troubled and feel guilty, some just get angry and mean about it or kill themselves instead of trying to be a force for positive change.
We need not strip these men of any shred of dignity they have left, they actively made the choice to kill themselves over the guilt. That was the last way in which they chose to excersize their free will, let’s not make them out to have had no agency, suicide is always a choice. They could have chosen to let go of the guilt that was never really their burden to carry if they were free of wrongdoing and instead just become dedicated to helping people.
That’s not true. The high suicide rate among men today largely stems from a sense of worthlessness, uselessness, and lack of meaning in life. Many of these men struggle to find steady work, meaningful relationships, or close friendships. They feel isolated, excluded, and invisible to society. On top of that, men are often discouraged from expressing vulnerability or asking for help, so their suffering stays hidden until it becomes unbearable.
The suicide rates amongst white people (3.1% in the US) are lower than nearly any other group, according to the CDC.
Additionally, this study shows that only 1.4% of cisgender males have seriously attempted suicide requiring medical care, compared to 15.4 percent of trangender men, for example. So yes, of course suicide and depression are a reality for white men, but trans men are doing 11x worse, for example. That’s why it seems pathetic for straight white men to be complaining they are the victim here.
Let me highlight the important parts for you.
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I agree the data shows more men commit suicide than women. All I’m pointing out is that if you factor in the risk profiles based on other characteristics (like race) then cis white men are orders of magnitude less likely to commit suicide than non-white men, trans men, gay men, etc. They are a low risk group, comparatively.
But I’m sure we can agree that all lives are equally valuable - so in that sense, we shouldn’t be downplaying the issues of the demographic from which the vast majority of deaths come in absolute numbers. This isn’t a competition over who has it the worst, nor does helping one group mean we can ignore the others. When people are unwell, it doesn’t just affect them individually - it’s a societal issue that impacts everyone.
I have seen it cited numerous times as white male guilt. But also to your reasons, they probobly do feel alone, because the right wing white male mob has convinced them that they should feel like that by convincing them that we hate them and want nothing to do with them. And as soon as they act like rightwing propoganda soldiers, we really don’t want anything to do with them for fear of rape and murder if you want the truth (bc the same suicide demographic is the highest in those categories too, btw). So yes, if you must boil it down to us hating them for being white and male, go for that I guess, but they and their propaganda echo chambers are the ones reenforcing their self-pitying “oh poor me” attitude.