Iâve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasnât sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken âfederationâ system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but itâs never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmyâs official docs say you canât even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it wonât actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the âaverage joe lemmyâ and âaverage joe redditâ with everything approved by the authorities, and then âtor copies of lemmyâ and âtor copies of redditâ where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But itâs the exact same thing, itâs reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldnât let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they wonât let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Itâs not actually a solution to reddit. Itâs not designed to be different, itâs designed to match the past today and then match redditâs present tomorrow, while being part of a system thatâs about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, youâre posting somewhere it wonât be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. Thereâs no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyoneâs feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. Iâll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. Iâve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so Iâll probably keep spending time there. If anyoneâs curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.


âLemmy insider who is scared of being exposedâ
What are you on about? Exposed for what? Whatâs a âLemmy insiderâ?
Why did you quote this part twice?
This is always a weird question to ask in text-based discussions where you can just read stuff again, especially when the person youâre responding to is just using the exact plain English words for simple and complete points.
False advertising, I guess? You tell me, youâre the one that came up with the strategy.
I have no guess for who you think is going to ban me for you. I think itâs kinda hilarious (but more concerning) that you seem convinced there is some powerful Lemmy (open source reddit clone) insider who would be worried about me exposing them with my posts about Tor integration or something.
Emphasis
Itâs just an expression based on how absurd I thought your last point was.
Literally no-one cares or views âfederationâ as you do.
That you have to ask this demonstrates how basic your understanding of the fediverse is.
No, this sounds like something youâve made it up in your head. I never said that a âLemmy insiderâ exists. Thatâs what you said. Dude, Iâm not even on Lemmy.
OK, but why the emphasis?
I didnât ask what you had to say about your own wording. I pointed out that itâs weird, especially in this particular context.
Incorrect, and you know it. Is there a particular reason youâd pretend otherwise, except to gaslight me?
Didnât ask, donât have to ask, not sure why you thought that.
Not sure what youâre trying to say here.
I didnât ask if you did.
No, I implied you seemed to think it. I never said you said it.
Didnât ask, donât care, replying from Lemmy.
Who gives a fuck? I told you why after I saw you commenting on it.
How do I âknow it isâ, exactly? I know of no such thing. Iâve never seen anyone hold this bizarre interpretation on federation as you do. Almost everyone in this thread disagrees with you.
You speak of âLemmy insidersâ but you donât see have a clue how the basics work.
You claimed that I âseem convinced there is some powerful Lemmy insider who would be worried about me exposing themâ. This is not true. I never said anything about a lemmy insider. You were the one who proposed that. Not me. I laughed at the idea.
You made up the idea that I think a âLemmy insiderâ exists.
But you did claim that I did. Itâs on record. Full quote: âI think itâs kinda hilarious (but more concerning) that you seem convinced there is some powerful Lemmy insider who would be worried about me exposing them with my posts about Tor integration or something.â
Seemed to think it based on what? You bought up the idea of some âLemmy insiderâ and I queried it as a nonsense.
My point here is that why would someone who doesnât use Lemmy here specifically think this at all.
About what? I donât feel like reading the part you quoted to check
Not sure what youâre saying here, still donât feel like checking the context
Know what is?
Not sure what such thing you mean but OK
Still not really following but alright
Didnât ask, why waste time typing that?
Again, not sure what youâre trying to say
Correct.
No, it was true.
I didnât ask if you did. Why waste time typing that?
I didnât ask if I was. Why waste time typing that?
I still didnât ask.
Didnât ask if you did.
Correct.
Did what?
Hard to tell if you mean something thatâs actually on the record or not since I donât feel like checking what youâre talking about and you keep lying constantly
I didnât ask, why waste time with this quote?
Seemed to think what based on what? That some âLemmy insiderâ would ban me? Why do you keep acting like you need so much stuff repeated?
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Soon after âmy point here isâ this sentence seems to become complete gibberish, so kinda hard for it to be a point.
The way youâve broken up my quotes, splitting sentences apart makes it impossible to respond to. Iâm 100% convinced all of this is a troll at this point. Youâve split my sentences is to the point where they have no context, and it makes it impossible to respond to you. You keep saying âI didnât ask if you did. Why waste time typing that?â when I directly to your claims about me made only a few posts back. So Iâm just going to focus on one thing.
I didnât say you did âaskâ, but you did accuse.
Hereâs you claiming I believe some Lemmy Insider exists.
You attempted to put words in my mouth and claimed I thought some âLemmy Insiderâ would ban you.
I didnât ask. Why waste time typing that?
Again, didnât ask.
Still didnât ask.
Incorrect. I keep saying that when you waste time typing random shit. Youâve wasted like 12 hours today.
I didnât ask how many things you were going to focus on. Why waste time typing that?
I didnât ask what you said. Why waste time typing that?
Yet again, this is a link, not a screenshot. I donât know what makes you think Iâm clicking your links when I keep saying Iâm not. I clicked one, did that ctrl+f thing, it was extremely embarrassing for you, that was enough for me.
incorrect
Incorrect because the âandâ makes it seem like I also attempted to put words in your mouth, when the part I actually did was claimed you thought some âLemmy insiderâ would ban me.
Imagine having no self-control that Iâm to blame for your inability to stop replying.