And he is now saying, I am going to acclimate the American public to the use of military force anywhere I deem it. Appropriate under any circumstances, and I may well, the president may be thinking, I may well have us in a war by the time the elections roll around, which will enable me to say any opposition to me and my party is basically treason and unpatriotic.

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    This is not speculation. Project 2025, through its 900-page Mandate for Leadership, lays out a framework for using the U.S. military and other federal forces inside the country against its own people. It starts by calling the federal government “a behemoth, weaponized against American citizens and conservative values” (Foreword, p. xv). From that claim, it argues the next president must “re-forge” the Department of Defense and other agencies to “serve the president” directly (p. 171). That wording removes the wall that separates civilian governance from military command.

    Project 2025 proposes that all senior military promotions be reviewed by the White House to ensure loyalty to presidential priorities. That recommendation appears in the section on the Department of Defense (Mandate for Leadership, cited in People’s Guide p. 46-47) where it directs the president to “review all general and flag officer promotions.” Once that happens, the military becomes an arm of political enforcement rather than national defense.

    It also outlines the use of federal and possibly military resources to “arrest, detain, and remove immigration violators anywhere in the United States.” That line appears in multiple summaries of the Mandate (People’s Guide p. 3, 41-47). It does not limit that power to the border. It explicitly authorizes “arrest operations anywhere in the United States.” That is domestic deployment by definition.

    The Mandate treats the Department of Defense as a political tool, demanding a purge of leadership that resists “social engineering” and replacing them with those who share the president’s “values” (People’s Guide p. 46, citing Mandate pp. 80-81, 213, 524). It also revives Executive Order 13957, also known as Schedule F, to remove non-partisan officials and replace them with “policy-advocating” loyalists (p. 43-44). That structure would put every major department, including Defense, under direct presidential command with no institutional buffer.

    Once power is concentrated in this way, the same troops and officers sworn to defend the nation can be ordered to suppress dissent, occupy cities, or enforce political will under executive authority.

    In short, Project 2025 is the first open plan in modern American history to outline the conditions under which the military could be used against citizens. It replaces the principle of civilian control with the principle of presidential control. Anyone who reads The People’s Guide to Project 2025, pages 3, 43-47, 80-81, 171, 213, 524, and the Foreword p. xv, will see that it does not prepare for national defense. It prepares for internal enforcement.

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      I think they mean full-on attacks instead of just national guard police action. Small distinction, I know.

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        Sure. He means live fire, urban combat, and a descent into outright revolution. But they want to act like the frog isn’t in the pot already.

        I wonder how the red states are going to survive when they can’t get anything into or out of the ports.

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            True. But I doubt it will be state vs state. That’s not where the loyalties are. It will be urban vs rural.

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              Not when the Blue state governments use their inherent wealth to provide for their rural constituents, because we all need to eat, while rural areas of red states wither and die, transforming into vast tracts of corporate owned agribusiness

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                It just fully hit that New England is more than likely to wind up being the last holdout of the independent, family owned farm. The region with the worst soil, terrible growing season, and heaviest industrialization, will likely remain the last place where independent farms try to scratch enough out of the dirt to feed their neighbors and turn a meager profit. Because it’s a labor of love. Nobody farms up here for the money, because there basically isn’t any. But there is generational wealth built into the land and it’s ability to provide enough. And a healthy dose of Yankee “fuck you this is my land” attitude against selling out to big business.

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                  There’s always the option of antitrust as well. The government could, if it had a backbone, bust up corporate land aggregates. But very heartening to hear that take about New England, something I hadn’t considered. I know livestock are big out there so had assumed most land was either grazing or feed farming.

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          Depends on if there would be enough Generals and Admirals who sided with blue states.

          But red states would repeat the mistakes of the confederacy and rely on Southern ports, and the rest of the US would once again blockade the Gulf and destroy their supply lines.

          Only difference now is red states can get supplies via air.

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            That’s true. And air freight is much more limited in its capacity too so it’s usually only considered for critical goods.

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              Good point, plus any sufficient naval blockade would also have some AA capabilities, at least for the Gulf. So they would have to be creative about getting supplies that way

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    This is all conditioning people, normalizing the use of military for political means. He will then use it to remain in power in 2028. Martial law is coming.

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      He will be 82 years old in 2028

      Not saying they won’t try all of this, but I don’t think they’ll be able to pull it off for very long if at all

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        But that’s what he does, he pushes the boundaries until he finds resistance, pulls back, then tries again later. If it weren’t for the court rulings against him he probably would have gone full “Marshal Law” already.

        Also note that many of those rulings came from lower courts, some got partially reversed at the appellate level, and others got temporarily reversed at the emergency level at SCOTUS. At some point, SCOTUS will make the official rulings, on the record. That’s when the real shit will go down. There are three ways it can go down:

        • a full repudiation of the Adminstrations’s position. Not very likely, given this court.
        • a full embracing of the administration’s position. This would be the point historians point to when American democracy died.
        • a narrow ruling against the administration, which the court takes great pains to imply doesn’t set a larger precedent. Don’t believe them! This will be identical to the one above.

        Once this happens, no matter what the ruling is, the Administration will claim it as a victory and go full dictatorship. The nature of the ruling will dictate what institutions can do to counter it.

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    And Americans who lose loved ones will respond in kind to the military that chose to participate in that. These are illegal orders. Their existence in life isn’t a secret and people are only human. It’s that simple. This comment would get me banned on reddit “for promoting violence”.

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      Technically speaking this comment will get you banned here as well. The moderators on .world Are the same fed-simps (or fed-wimps) as you see on Reddit.

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    Not the first time America will have bombed its own citizens on its own soil, and surely wont be the last.

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      It’s not like they’ve ever let any of that into the general curriculum anyhow. looks at downvotes 🫩🤦🏽‍♂️ These same idiots will be among those screaming for mercy when it’s their turn for the gestapo to kick in their doors. 🥲