I expect them to care about the potential mass death of most humans and environments that has been blasting on the news and taught to most for decades … and I think that’s reasonable.
I promise you there are topics more important to other people than that.
Many, reasonably, care about the wave of fascism poised to severely harm them, their families, their loved ones or their fellow countryman, a more immediate threat.
Many, reasonably, care about the insane unaffordability of housing due to corruption, corporate landlords, landlords in general, and houses being treated as investment vehicles.
Many, reasonably are worried about the massively accelerating wealth inequality and the disaster this spells for them and their future generations.
Many…
The point is, every single one of these points is more not less important than the point you care about primarily to many people. They aren’t wrong or stupid for having different priorities to you.
I would even go so far as saying that I think it’s foolish to value something so large scale and existential like global collapse over the next few hundred years due to climate change than a lot of the societal elements that contribute to it.
What does it matter what climate future humans live in if they’re enslaved or being murdered by fascists?
What does it matter if your descendants don’t exist because they can’t afford to live.
If someone tells you to kill a guy and you do, does it make sense to exclusively blame the person who told you? No. They’ve been given the information and tools to find more information.
Again, many people think the same thing for you, and they’re just as right, yet completely uselessly so as you are.
This is purely a self masturbatory blame assignment rather than a useful piece of information to accomplish goals.
Worse than that, it chooses to ignorantly fundamentally misunderstand how people work, yet expect to change what it doesn’t understand.
The standard I want is “trying” to do better. I want people to actually try to reduce their impact. That’s it. It’s not a high standard.
There you are again, missing the point and it feels like it has to be purposeful at this point.
Many people try to do better but can’t be as focused on this as you are because they’re being better in areas you are not being better in.
And simply, if you think propaganda can influence everyone enough that it makes changing individuals impossible, why do you think that convincing them to vote differently is possible?
This is an obvious and silly strawman.
I literally list why directly convincing people on this topic is less important and likely to work than impacting political systems that are used to uphold the propaganda points that cause these problems in the first place.
You’re slamming into a brick wall rather than trying to pick the lock on the door.
It is a tad ironic that you talk about the influence of propaganda and are still stuck on the idea that people need cars.
Its crazy to be this ignorant and with a bad faith point to boot.
Carcentricity has made it such that many people do in fact need cars.
This is not a problem. that can be solved quickly.
You pretending that acknowledging this reality means that I can’t conceive of anything else despite that obviously not being the case is you being dishonest in discussion, which at that point, why are you arguing? Why bother?
Climate change is the single most important issue, bar none.
An extremely naive and privileged perspective.
You’re worrying about the future of the species like that is an entity that can feel pain. No, it’s an idea, a prediction. It’s something that absolutely is not the top concern of the people struggling and facing real issues to their lives right now at this very moment. Just about the only people I can imagine could possibly hold this opinion are out of touch well to do people.
I did not watch your video as I’m already well aware
You are clearly missing a lot, so if you actually walked the walk, you’d watch it and see what you’re missing, because in this conversation alone you’ve made it clear you don’t understand how deep or effective it has been, what policies have been put in place due to it, etc.
North American roads are the way they are due to it.
I don’t believe people blindly believing clearly false propaganda are faultless
You are so impossibly stuck up your own ass, sniffing your own farts.
There are literally thousands if not millions of you people on every conceivable issue under the sun, and you’d all hate each other if you met, because you all are so lacking in empathy and perspective that you’d all be befuddled and enraged you didn’t all center around the single issues you all think are most important bar none. You’d all be irrate that the others dare “blindly believe this” and “foolishly follow that”.
Until you people realize what a problem this mentality is, you’ll literally never make substantive change.
You’re worrying about the future of the species like that is an entity that can feel pain. No, it’s an idea, a prediction. It’s something that absolutely is not the top concern of the people struggling and facing real issues to their lives right now at this very moment. Just about the only people I can imagine could possibly hold this opinion are out of touch well to do people.
Good to know you have no idea what you’re talking about. Climate change is already causing serious deaths, now. It’s not just some future issue. It’s genuinely horrifying that you don’t understand that. It isn’t just Future generations. It isn’t abstract concepts. It’s my generation that will be dying because of this.
Many, reasonably are worried about the massively accelerating wealth inequality and the disaster this spells for them and their future generations.
Because climate change won’t… ??
Yes, fascism is important. But not nearly as important as fighting climate change. There isn’t a future to fight for if climate change isn’t blocked, you do understand that, right?
This is not a problem. that can be solved quickly.
It could be solved in under a decade if people cared.
You don’t seem to actually understand how dangerous climate change is presently. You still see it as an abstract future rather than an awful and worsening present
You are clearly missing a lot, so if you actually walked the walk, you’d watch it and see what you’re missing, because in this conversation alone you’ve made it clear you don’t understand how deep or effective it has been, what policies have been put in place due to it, etc.
I see what happened when voters and people actually cared. The cities changed, improved. It proves that propaganda is not some magical convincing force that forces people to think one way, the way you pretend it is.
Good to know you have no idea what you’re talking about. Climate change is already causing serious deaths, now.
Far less than the issues listed to the people affected.
Climate change deathes currently are largely avoidable and it comes up as a relatively small source of death.
You’re nitpicking here to try to ignore the point.
It’s my generation that will be dying because of this.
Nope. No one alive today will witness any kind of apocalypse generation killing event.
Because climate change won’t… ??
You must worry about your house fire first before you fear the flood next month.
Yes, fascism is important. But not nearly as important as fighting climate change.
This is the type of “I’m a priveleged cisgendered straight white person so the marginalized people can be fed to the machine” ass comment I would expect from you.
They’ll come for you eventually too bud.
There isn’t a future to fight for if climate change isn’t blocked, you do understand that, right?
Hysterics don’t make you right. That is in more than 100 years when anyone talking right now is long dead.
Fascism could have you or I in a death camp within our lives, or trigger nuclear war, given it actually did the last time it flared up this seriously, except this time a shit ton of countries have nukes. Nukes? Talk about climate changing.
It could be solved in under a decade if people cared.
You continue to think from a perspective of blame rather than pragmatism.
People are the biggest hurdle for literally every major problem. Learning how the general public is propagandized too, what regulations reinforce and or strengthen the problem, how and which politicians are bought and paid off for to fight the problem and more.
The root cause and key is making the Overton window shift left. It is therefore the biggest problem, even to you, by being in the way for solving your problem as the actual biggest problem.
You don’t seem to actually understand how dangerous climate change is presently. You still see it as an abstract future rather than an awful and worsening present
I completely understand it. You clearly do not understand how bad the other problems I listed are.
You care far more about the rock we float on, than the people on said rock. Everything you say is in service of the rock rather than the people. What has more influence in peoples lives right now? All the things I mentioned.
Other people have good reason to be focused on those first.
I see what happened when voters and people actually cared. The cities changed, improved.
Oh which American cities are these? Are they per chance small mostly urban areas with progressive leaders?
I mean fuck it, I won’t be coy, we all see Mamdani. Somehow you won’t connect the dot’s though.
It proves that propaganda is not some magical convincing force that forces people to think one way, the way you pretend it is.
This is once again you doing mental gymnastics to pretend that blaming people will solve the problem any at all. Blaming people does not work.
Climate change deathes currently are largely avoidable and it comes up as a relatively small source of death.
I’d like to see you “avoid” a wet bulb event in a 3rd world country. These have started becoming an increasingly common occurrence in the last decade or so. Climate change also disproportionately affects poorer countries, the ones no one cares about. Entire archipelagos projected to disappear in decades. So fuck off with your “caring about climate change is for privileged people”.
Nope. No one alive today will witness any kind of apocalypse generation killing event.
Hysterics don’t make you right. That is in more than 100 years when anyone talking right now is long dead.
You do realize that there’s people alive today that will live in 2100 right? And that they will be in their 80’s (those who can talk today), not 100+. Have you seen any graphs on what the temperatures and water levels will be at the current pace? Even optimistic scenarios are hellish.
You are factually wrong, no matter how confidently you say it. I am not insulting your intelligence for your opinions like you seem to do in almost every comment, just informing that you do not understand climate change like you claim to “completely” do. I guess what you actually mean is that it will get bad after you are dead, so it doesn’t really matter.
We’re clearly at a unproductive point in this conversation where you are slinging accusations and we clearly are at an impasse. I think your position ignores the valid perspective of others, you think it outweighs every other position even from people who try to do better just as you claim to.
That seems to be it. I can’t convince you, and you certainly haven’t convinced me.
Ah. So you don’t actually understand the reality of extreme heat and cold events. That… That makes sense how you wouldn’t care. You’ve failed to do basic research.
This is the type of “I’m a priveleged cisgendered straight white person so the marginalized people can be fed to the machine” ass comment I would expect from you.
If I meant it as “welcome fascism” , which I don’t. Fascism should still be fought. You pulling out the “privileged” bullshit again is hilarious when you don’t understand basic science
I promise you there are topics more important to other people than that.
Many, reasonably, care about the wave of fascism poised to severely harm them, their families, their loved ones or their fellow countryman, a more immediate threat.
Many, reasonably, care about the insane unaffordability of housing due to corruption, corporate landlords, landlords in general, and houses being treated as investment vehicles.
Many, reasonably are worried about the massively accelerating wealth inequality and the disaster this spells for them and their future generations.
Many…
The point is, every single one of these points is more not less important than the point you care about primarily to many people. They aren’t wrong or stupid for having different priorities to you.
I would even go so far as saying that I think it’s foolish to value something so large scale and existential like global collapse over the next few hundred years due to climate change than a lot of the societal elements that contribute to it.
What does it matter what climate future humans live in if they’re enslaved or being murdered by fascists?
What does it matter if your descendants don’t exist because they can’t afford to live.
Again, many people think the same thing for you, and they’re just as right, yet completely uselessly so as you are.
This is purely a self masturbatory blame assignment rather than a useful piece of information to accomplish goals.
Worse than that, it chooses to ignorantly fundamentally misunderstand how people work, yet expect to change what it doesn’t understand.
There you are again, missing the point and it feels like it has to be purposeful at this point.
Many people try to do better but can’t be as focused on this as you are because they’re being better in areas you are not being better in.
This is an obvious and silly strawman.
I literally list why directly convincing people on this topic is less important and likely to work than impacting political systems that are used to uphold the propaganda points that cause these problems in the first place.
You’re slamming into a brick wall rather than trying to pick the lock on the door.
Its crazy to be this ignorant and with a bad faith point to boot.
Carcentricity has made it such that many people do in fact need cars.
This is not a problem. that can be solved quickly.
You pretending that acknowledging this reality means that I can’t conceive of anything else despite that obviously not being the case is you being dishonest in discussion, which at that point, why are you arguing? Why bother?
An extremely naive and privileged perspective.
You’re worrying about the future of the species like that is an entity that can feel pain. No, it’s an idea, a prediction. It’s something that absolutely is not the top concern of the people struggling and facing real issues to their lives right now at this very moment. Just about the only people I can imagine could possibly hold this opinion are out of touch well to do people.
You are clearly missing a lot, so if you actually walked the walk, you’d watch it and see what you’re missing, because in this conversation alone you’ve made it clear you don’t understand how deep or effective it has been, what policies have been put in place due to it, etc.
North American roads are the way they are due to it.
You are so impossibly stuck up your own ass, sniffing your own farts.
There are literally thousands if not millions of you people on every conceivable issue under the sun, and you’d all hate each other if you met, because you all are so lacking in empathy and perspective that you’d all be befuddled and enraged you didn’t all center around the single issues you all think are most important bar none. You’d all be irrate that the others dare “blindly believe this” and “foolishly follow that”.
Until you people realize what a problem this mentality is, you’ll literally never make substantive change.
Good to know you have no idea what you’re talking about. Climate change is already causing serious deaths, now. It’s not just some future issue. It’s genuinely horrifying that you don’t understand that. It isn’t just Future generations. It isn’t abstract concepts. It’s my generation that will be dying because of this.
Because climate change won’t… ??
Yes, fascism is important. But not nearly as important as fighting climate change. There isn’t a future to fight for if climate change isn’t blocked, you do understand that, right?
It could be solved in under a decade if people cared.
You don’t seem to actually understand how dangerous climate change is presently. You still see it as an abstract future rather than an awful and worsening present
I see what happened when voters and people actually cared. The cities changed, improved. It proves that propaganda is not some magical convincing force that forces people to think one way, the way you pretend it is.
Far less than the issues listed to the people affected.
Climate change deathes currently are largely avoidable and it comes up as a relatively small source of death.
You’re nitpicking here to try to ignore the point.
Nope. No one alive today will witness any kind of apocalypse generation killing event.
You must worry about your house fire first before you fear the flood next month.
This is the type of “I’m a priveleged cisgendered straight white person so the marginalized people can be fed to the machine” ass comment I would expect from you.
They’ll come for you eventually too bud.
Hysterics don’t make you right. That is in more than 100 years when anyone talking right now is long dead.
Fascism could have you or I in a death camp within our lives, or trigger nuclear war, given it actually did the last time it flared up this seriously, except this time a shit ton of countries have nukes. Nukes? Talk about climate changing.
You continue to think from a perspective of blame rather than pragmatism.
People are the biggest hurdle for literally every major problem. Learning how the general public is propagandized too, what regulations reinforce and or strengthen the problem, how and which politicians are bought and paid off for to fight the problem and more.
The root cause and key is making the Overton window shift left. It is therefore the biggest problem, even to you, by being in the way for solving your problem as the actual biggest problem.
I completely understand it. You clearly do not understand how bad the other problems I listed are.
You care far more about the rock we float on, than the people on said rock. Everything you say is in service of the rock rather than the people. What has more influence in peoples lives right now? All the things I mentioned.
Other people have good reason to be focused on those first.
Oh which American cities are these? Are they per chance small mostly urban areas with progressive leaders?
I mean fuck it, I won’t be coy, we all see Mamdani. Somehow you won’t connect the dot’s though.
This is once again you doing mental gymnastics to pretend that blaming people will solve the problem any at all. Blaming people does not work.
I’d like to see you “avoid” a wet bulb event in a 3rd world country. These have started becoming an increasingly common occurrence in the last decade or so. Climate change also disproportionately affects poorer countries, the ones no one cares about. Entire archipelagos projected to disappear in decades. So fuck off with your “caring about climate change is for privileged people”.
You do realize that there’s people alive today that will live in 2100 right? And that they will be in their 80’s (those who can talk today), not 100+. Have you seen any graphs on what the temperatures and water levels will be at the current pace? Even optimistic scenarios are hellish.
You are factually wrong, no matter how confidently you say it. I am not insulting your intelligence for your opinions like you seem to do in almost every comment, just informing that you do not understand climate change like you claim to “completely” do. I guess what you actually mean is that it will get bad after you are dead, so it doesn’t really matter.
We’re clearly at a unproductive point in this conversation where you are slinging accusations and we clearly are at an impasse. I think your position ignores the valid perspective of others, you think it outweighs every other position even from people who try to do better just as you claim to.
That seems to be it. I can’t convince you, and you certainly haven’t convinced me.
Ah. So you don’t actually understand the reality of extreme heat and cold events. That… That makes sense how you wouldn’t care. You’ve failed to do basic research.
If I meant it as “welcome fascism” , which I don’t. Fascism should still be fought. You pulling out the “privileged” bullshit again is hilarious when you don’t understand basic science
There was no substance in this reply. You haven’t shown knowledge of anything, and havent addressed any criticisms levied.