Idk man. Is this really meaningfully different than when the right was piling on Obama for wearing a brown suit?
And any time the narrative is “look at what this woman decided to wear and judge her harshly for it,” I think it’s worth taking a moment to step back and evaluate if you might be the baddie on this one.
And I feel like “getting to first base with the VP” is overstating it. It’s a weird hug for sure, but it’s not egregious. She moves her hand to his head for, like, half a second. I’ve known parents who kiss their kids on the lips. Is it weird? Hell yes. But I don’t think they were plowing their kids. They were just weird in how they did social affection. And this is way less weird than that.
And look back at that image again. Imagine this was about Michelle Obama. Let’s say that she wore something the right found questionable to her husband’s funeral, and decided to make a “lying grifter bitch” outfit about her? It would be, at best, in bad taste. And while they could always defend themselves with, “well she shouldn’t have decided to dress like that if she didn’t want to get mocked,” I think that I’d rather not associate myself with that kind of rhetoric, personally.
Let me be clear, I’m not being a devil’s advocate here.
I genuinely believe it’s not okay to tell a widow she’s grieving wrong.
I also genuinely believe that telling women how they should be dressed is some sexist BS.
I also genuinely don’t think those pants were particularly egregious. And I thought her hug with Vance wasn’t particularly scandalous. And I also genuinely believe if it wasn’t someone you were already primed to hate, you’d feel the same way.
And I don’t think the solution to any of the problems were having in this country is more dehumanization. We get plenty of that with this current administration thanks. And just because they suck doesn’t make it okay to abandon your principles.
Gosh, you’re right. I was already primed to hate her. By her and her husband’s repeated statements that people I love should not exist.
I genuinely believe that enforced decorum benefits the powerful. “I get to do whatever I want without consequence but you’re terrible for saying something mean to me” is a thing an oppressor says.
I think their point is hate her, or poke fun at the actual reasons that she is a terrible human. Wearing leather pants to a funeral and awkwardly hugging Vance are not the reasons she should be shunned. It’s her idealogy and actions that are.
I think the hard part is it’s hard to know how sincere these people are behind their personas. Like Trump playing down covid while taking the vaccine himself, where does the grift start and end.
I’m sure she really did grieve his passing, but at the same time it feels like this is all publicity stunts to cash in on his death. I know I wouldn’t be up to a big public appearance like that if my SO had been murdered.
Sure, you wouldn’t, but this is someone who was already in the limelight anyway.
And to be clear, a lot of people make public appearances after tragedy. Left and right alike. It doesn’t invalidate their grief just because they don’t react the exact way you would. There’s no right way to grieve.
And genuinely, if Charlie Kirk had been a great champion for the left, and his widow was doing the exact same things to continue his legacy, would you still say she was grifting? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that would be your reaction?
Idk man. Is this really meaningfully different than when the right was piling on Obama for wearing a brown suit?
And any time the narrative is “look at what this woman decided to wear and judge her harshly for it,” I think it’s worth taking a moment to step back and evaluate if you might be the baddie on this one.
And I feel like “getting to first base with the VP” is overstating it. It’s a weird hug for sure, but it’s not egregious. She moves her hand to his head for, like, half a second. I’ve known parents who kiss their kids on the lips. Is it weird? Hell yes. But I don’t think they were plowing their kids. They were just weird in how they did social affection. And this is way less weird than that.
And look back at that image again. Imagine this was about Michelle Obama. Let’s say that she wore something the right found questionable to her husband’s funeral, and decided to make a “lying grifter bitch” outfit about her? It would be, at best, in bad taste. And while they could always defend themselves with, “well she shouldn’t have decided to dress like that if she didn’t want to get mocked,” I think that I’d rather not associate myself with that kind of rhetoric, personally.
My sister-in-law did something similar after my brother drowned and it made a traumatic experience even worse, somehow.
She made money, collected attention, and built her music “career” off of it. Her debut song was at my brother’s church funeral (he was an atheist).
Fuck this type of person.
Jesus, man. The false equivalency is just so terrible.
The devil never asked for an advocate, and those nazi wannabes didn’t either. You don’t have to defend them, especially with language they’d laugh at.
They’re not defending anybody. They’re just stating that punches below the belt aren’t cool, even if you’re hitting MAGAs.
It’s always cool to kick a nazi in the balls.
But only literally. And preferably without any misogyny showing.
It’s not misogyny she is just a shit head.
Let me be clear, I’m not being a devil’s advocate here.
I genuinely believe it’s not okay to tell a widow she’s grieving wrong.
I also genuinely believe that telling women how they should be dressed is some sexist BS.
I also genuinely don’t think those pants were particularly egregious. And I thought her hug with Vance wasn’t particularly scandalous. And I also genuinely believe if it wasn’t someone you were already primed to hate, you’d feel the same way.
And I don’t think the solution to any of the problems were having in this country is more dehumanization. We get plenty of that with this current administration thanks. And just because they suck doesn’t make it okay to abandon your principles.
Gosh, you’re right. I was already primed to hate her. By her and her husband’s repeated statements that people I love should not exist.
I genuinely believe that enforced decorum benefits the powerful. “I get to do whatever I want without consequence but you’re terrible for saying something mean to me” is a thing an oppressor says.
I think their point is hate her, or poke fun at the actual reasons that she is a terrible human. Wearing leather pants to a funeral and awkwardly hugging Vance are not the reasons she should be shunned. It’s her idealogy and actions that are.
I get where you are coming from.
I think the hard part is it’s hard to know how sincere these people are behind their personas. Like Trump playing down covid while taking the vaccine himself, where does the grift start and end.
I’m sure she really did grieve his passing, but at the same time it feels like this is all publicity stunts to cash in on his death. I know I wouldn’t be up to a big public appearance like that if my SO had been murdered.
Sure, you wouldn’t, but this is someone who was already in the limelight anyway.
And to be clear, a lot of people make public appearances after tragedy. Left and right alike. It doesn’t invalidate their grief just because they don’t react the exact way you would. There’s no right way to grieve.
And genuinely, if Charlie Kirk had been a great champion for the left, and his widow was doing the exact same things to continue his legacy, would you still say she was grifting? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that would be your reaction?
Which funeral was Obama selling merch at?