Please don’t put words in my mouth. I never said what they did was okay, and I still believe they should compensate her for the damage they caused.
The “maybe she was blocking them” is pure speculation based on their own testimony from the article. Since they clearly already lied regarding who hit whom, I’m not inclined to believe it until I see any evidence for it. All I’m saying is there could be more to the story that we haven’t seen yet, so I’m suspending my judgment for the time being.
You seem to be going out of your way to find some justification for their actions, I’m arguing that that is backwards. You can’t just lean on ‘they should compensate her’ as if that would erase the actions.
Let’s play the hypothetical game in the opposite direction. Maybe she lost her job as a result of this. Maybe that means she can’t afford food and rent, and ended up on the street. What compensation would make that OK, and how do you imagine she’d be able to pursue it?
Well, this is why it’s important to get as much evidence as possible about what really happened, isn’t it? Otherwise, it’s just one person’s word against another’s.
Granted, none of us here know the full story. But based on the evidence we have, they did not have grounds to follow through on any supposed charges, as she was released later on.
What I put to you, is that even if she had deliberately rammed their car in the first place (which and clearly hadn’t) the ‘officers’ reacted in a far more confrontational manner than was necessary, the approach to the car escalated to dragging out a nonviolent and unaggressive pedestrian within seconds. Do you think that is justified? Would you be willing to concede that this is an example of ICE escalating a situation by responding with unnecessary aggression?
I’ll also go one further, and suggest that this is but one of many examples of ICE creating more problems than they could possibly solve. The FBI is warning ICE to identify themselves, because now what is happening is cars full of armed, masked men are pulling up and essentially kidnapping people, I’m surprised no-one has responded with deadly force in self-defense yet.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. I never said what they did was okay, and I still believe they should compensate her for the damage they caused.
The “maybe she was blocking them” is pure speculation based on their own testimony from the article. Since they clearly already lied regarding who hit whom, I’m not inclined to believe it until I see any evidence for it. All I’m saying is there could be more to the story that we haven’t seen yet, so I’m suspending my judgment for the time being.
You seem to be going out of your way to find some justification for their actions, I’m arguing that that is backwards. You can’t just lean on ‘they should compensate her’ as if that would erase the actions.
Let’s play the hypothetical game in the opposite direction. Maybe she lost her job as a result of this. Maybe that means she can’t afford food and rent, and ended up on the street. What compensation would make that OK, and how do you imagine she’d be able to pursue it?
Well, this is why it’s important to get as much evidence as possible about what really happened, isn’t it? Otherwise, it’s just one person’s word against another’s.
Granted, none of us here know the full story. But based on the evidence we have, they did not have grounds to follow through on any supposed charges, as she was released later on.
What I put to you, is that even if she had deliberately rammed their car in the first place (which and clearly hadn’t) the ‘officers’ reacted in a far more confrontational manner than was necessary, the approach to the car escalated to dragging out a nonviolent and unaggressive pedestrian within seconds. Do you think that is justified? Would you be willing to concede that this is an example of ICE escalating a situation by responding with unnecessary aggression?
I’ll also go one further, and suggest that this is but one of many examples of ICE creating more problems than they could possibly solve. The FBI is warning ICE to identify themselves, because now what is happening is cars full of armed, masked men are pulling up and essentially kidnapping people, I’m surprised no-one has responded with deadly force in self-defense yet.