• Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    No.

    A candidate campaigns for MY vote.

    This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.

    It’s been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.

    Thats what happens.

    The DNC knows that all they have to do is play “At least we’re not trump” and they’re happy enough.

    You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you’re really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It’s you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.

    The Democratic establishment can prove they aren’t an obstacle to progress

    They won’t, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.

    me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.

    I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.

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      19 hours ago

      It’s literally the political equivalent of throwing a hissy fit about the amount of foam in a latte. Literal Karen voters.

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      19 hours ago

      I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.

      This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists, y’all refuse to believe reality and instead feel the need to force a moral judgement on votors not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.

      It’s been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.

      Thats what happens.

      That is their choice, not mine.

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        This is exactly why people with your perspective are destroying this country and keep losing elections to fascists

        Its crazy you say shit like this when we both support progressiveness. “You are realistic and therefor bad”.

        y’all refuse to believe reality and instead need to force a moral judgment on voters not giving your shit candidates votes automatically because “other side bad”.

        They literally aren’t my preferred candidates. That was inherent to the statment that they were not preferred but you still should because not doing so is petulant tantrum throwing that hurts many, including yourself.

        You badly want reality to just work the way you want it to work instead of the way it does, and would rather be delusional than face the facts.

        You literally can’t logically justify your emotional and self harming behaviour and never stop to self reflect on why that is.

        That is their choice, not mine.

        100% your choice. Fortunately you are an (insane and child like) minority, but holy fuck do you not help.

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          19 hours ago

          Stop condescending me, Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election, not progressives.

          No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don’t need the Democratic Party, they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.

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            Stop condescending me

            No. You’re wilfully harmful takes actively deserve that as you seek to hurt unrelated people for the actions of people who will be completely insulated from your tantrum.

            Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney daughter of deceased war criminal Dick Cheney while utterly silencing Palestinian voices was what lost the US presidential election

            Maybe the first part, but any people who protest voted over the Palestinians have the blood of the thousands more that have been killed on their hands as a direct result.

            You cannot simply ignore the world just because its not the way you want it to be.

            No, this is a tea party moment for the left, we don’t need the Democratic Party

            The movement that ultimately still voted for republicans when the time came for the most part as it was incredibly small because anyone who understand math understands that in a winner takes all/first past the post system you can’t have more than 2 main parties?

            they need us and they are still refusing to behave like they do.

            No. You have it backwards. They’re fine with losing. You aren’t. You and people you must be pretending to care about get fucked when they lose. They know that, and so you aren’t making them stop and think, you’re just fucking yourself and others harder.

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          17 hours ago

          You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?

          Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so. Always unable to understand why a growing number of people are done with your political farce, just foaming at the mouth as your shill cries of blue-compliance and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.

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            You do know that when you start insulting your opponent you’ve both lost the argument and shown your ass, right?

            No, I don’t know that, because its something people without actual points in their favour bust out when they feel the other person has been too blunt.

            In this case, the other person wishes to harm a significant amount of people. I owe them no apologies, and the only people showing their asses are the people treating significant, real life politics like a game and as if they were children flipping all the pieces off because they didn’t win.

            Hopefully one day you’ll realize that you are the problem, that it is you carrying water for the right-wing party that together with the far-right-wing party have turned the good ole USA into a right-loving hellhole, slowly but surely over the last 50 years or so.

            The thing about this child like understanding of this easy to understand system where only 2 parties will ever have a chance due to the math of it being a first past the post/winner takes all system, is that the very obvious only way to change said system without tremendous blood shed, is by slowly transitioning the party closest to your goals over time. Because this can’t be completed faster than a short on tiktok or youtube, you get enraged and think the whole system can never be fixed. Do you have a solution? Of course you don’t though. You’d instead have it get more broken, harming you and your causes more.

            and lesser-evil voting fail to do anything.

            This by itself is tremendously ignorant to the massive differences in policy between the 2 parties. All of this comment is filled with impotent irate ignorance.