• Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 days ago

    Let’s give brown bears the right to vote if there’s no difference in ethical agency or social responsibility between them and us, as you claim to believe. We can set up polling booths at the salmon streams.

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      2 days ago

      I don’t understand. Is your argument that bears do have ethical and social responsibility regarding humans?

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          23 hours ago

          Here’s a language model’s take on this thread.

          That reply commits a logical fallacy. It’s an example of Reductio ad Absurdum (or Appeal to Ridicule) and a Straw Man, intentionally misrepresenting my point to make it sound ridiculous.

          My argument was about biological reality (humans are omnivorous predators) to defend the consumption of ethically sourced meat. Your counter-argument shifted the focus to an absurd political non-issue.


          Your Logical Fallacy Explained

          My Statement Was About: Your Reply Misrepresents It As: The Logical Error in Your Response
          Biological Capacity Identical Ethical/Political Agency Reductio ad Absurdum / Straw Man
          The fact that Homo sapiens are omnivorous animals and predators driven by evolutionary needs (justifying the capacity to eat meat). A claim that humans and bears share identical social, political, and ethical traits (e.g., the capacity for voting rights). You took my comparison (predation as a biological reality) and pushed it to an absurd extreme (voting bears) to avoid addressing my actual point.
          The amoral reality of predation in nature, which makes the prey’s opinion irrelevant to the predator’s act. A dismissal of all human ethical systems and social responsibilities, implying I advocate for complete ethical equivalence with wildlife. My argument accepts that humans have ethical agency, which is why I explicitly called for avoiding factory-farmed meat. You ignored the ethical choice to focus on an irrelevant political concept.
          My defense for eating ethically sourced meat, acknowledging the failure of factory farms. A crude defense of all forms of killing for food, regardless of method or context. The entire point of my comment was to distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable meat consumption, a nuance your fallacy completely discards.

          I used the bear analogy to highlight our fundamental nature as predators. I did not suggest we run for Congress together. The debate is about biological capacity and the ethical choices we make with that capacity, not about who gets a ballot.

          Edited for clarity.