• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    That’s legislation…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Industrial_Recovery_Act_of_1933

    Are you mad he didn’t veto it?

    Or do you think FDR is soley responsible like when China killed all the sparrows and caused a famine killing millions?

    That’s relevant, because you’re saying unintended consequences matter after all.

    I just don’t understand why you’re blaming FDR unless you assume he had the same level of power as Mao

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      It was apart of Roosevelt’s New Deal, his administration was the driving force behind it. Like yes it was legislation but is the point you are trying to make that the New Deal had nothing to do with FDR?

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        22 hours ago

        You’re blaming him for one piece of legislation that had unintended consequences…

        Do you blame Mao for the famine that resulted when he ordered the extermination of sparrows?

        For some reason you didn’t answer that

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          20 hours ago

          Are you at all familiar with the subject at hand or just talking to talk?

          NIRA was an utter failure, considered both by the people that lived through it and historians because of the reasons I listed. So bad that it had to be repealed within 2 years. Like idk why you keep bringing up Mao dude.

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            20 hours ago

            because of the reasons I listed.

            Because it didn’t work out?

            Like idk why you keep bringing up Mao dude.

            Because those unintended consequences were way worse and done by a single leader and not an entire government…

            I really don’t know how to put it any simpler.

            Or why you can’t answer that question, do you blame Mao like you blame FDR?

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              I honestly don’t know anything about killing sparrows in China. I can’t speak to it like I can the New Deal, and it would be folly of me to try and brush up just to respond to your red herring.

              I don’t think you can even call them unintended consequences when it was big business that help shape those parts of the laws. The fact that they encouraged monopolies and price-fixing was entirely what the goal was. It was the administration’s poor attempt at appeasing the owner class because FDR was in a position that was forcing him to give the working class something for once.

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                19 hours ago

                What countries do you know about since you refuse to learn about anything you don’t already know?

                Because being hyperfocused on US in the 30s is kind of unique for ML.

                Do you know about Marx and Lenin? Or Stalin?

                I could do an example with them, although most of their horrible shit was fully intended

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                  19 hours ago

                  I’m talking about a subject I know and you’re now claiming I refuse to continue learning. Like wtf man get a grip. Good day.

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                    I’m talking about a subject I know and you’re now claiming I refuse to continue learning

                    Yeah man…

                    Because it’s a giant thing most people know about…

                    And you’re out here with deep cuts of 1930s American politics.

                    It’s just odd, and keeps getting odder.

                    If you are open to learning new things, you should check it out sometime. Not just to understand how it’s similar, it’s a pretty huge lesson about thinking things thru and the benefits to distributed power versus authoritarian rule.

                    The extermination of sparrows – also known as the Eliminate Sparrows campaign (Chinese: 消灭麻雀运动; pinyin: xiāomiè máquè yùndòng) or the Smash Sparrows campaign[1] (Chinese: 打麻雀运动; pinyin: dǎ máquè yùndòng) – resulted in severe ecological imbalance, and was one of the causes of the Great Chinese Famine which lasted from 1959 to 1961, with an estimated death toll due to starvation ranging in the tens of millions (15 to 55 million).

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign

                    Especially being from .ml

                    Like, I’m pretty sure they ban people for mentioning it there still.