No, Empanada has decided that anyone who has ever done a bad thing in the name of US imperialism cannot be redeemed by any means. Not repentance, not working to prevent future injustices, nothing. He’s willfully misunderstanding anyone who disagrees with that notion as condoning those bad actions, and he’s mischaracterizing any mitigating factors as justifications.
For example, stupid, poor 18-year-old, barely an adult, joins the military, quickly realizes that it’s wildly immoral, and quits? Anyone who brings up their stupidity, poverty, or youth to say that their misdeeds were somewhat understandable is saying that they bear no responsibility and killing brown people is good actually, and anyone who thinks that that person might be a good person decades later is similarly supporting imperialism.
It’s just a maximalist inversion of the neocons who believe that anyone joining Hamas is irredeemable even if their family was just mutilated by the IDF. I think he also supported Trump in the 2024 election because even though Trump was going to hurt Palestinians more than Harris, he was going to hurt Americans way more than Harris, and Empanada would rather see the suffering returned than mitigated.
And there it is. The liberal whitewashing a mass murderer by painting them as a 18 year old baby when literally 5 years ago they said how proud they were to mass murder people.
Graham Platner 2020
It’s just a maximalist inversion of the neocons who believe that anyone joining Hamas is irredeemable
This your brain on Liberalism. Comparing being a rapist imperialist to guarding your country.
Yeah, that’s the comment I was talking about when I said that I don’t consider Platner specifically to necessarily be on the right track. He’s said that he regrets his time in the US armed forces, so he may regret his reasons for joining as well, but he hasn’t articulated that.
This your brain on Liberalism. Comparing being a rapist imperialist to guarding your country.
Oh, come on. They’re lashing out at anyone they can, regardless of how involved they are in the genocide. They’re out for revenge, not defense. It’s understandable, but it isn’t some noble cause. They’re Islamist fundamentalists. There’s a reason it was Hamas that Israel was propping up to stifle more sympathetic groups.
Is there any evidence that Platner is a rapist? Or are you just assuming that because he’s a murderer?
He said he was proud of his time as a mass murderer invading other countries. He never said he regretted it. You are making stuff as you go.
Is there any evidence that Platner is a rapist? Or are you just assuming that because he’s a murderer?
He was a guard at the notorious Abu Graib rape-torture camp. That’s on the level of being an Auschwitz guard, except Platner wasn’t forced to do it like Nazis were. Graham Platner is worse than a Nazi.
this is why the far left isn’t taken seriously. brain on liberalism looks downright sane compared to whatever bonkers is running around in that head of yours if you think that crayon eater was worse than a nazi.
Compare yourself to a Republican which have more votes than Liberals while you’re at it. Also good job ignoring the entire content of the comment and just trying to ad-hom. I understand why you like Liberalism so much though.
Are you referring to Graham Platner?? Because that’s the only person I’ve seen BE specifically admonish and treat as irredeemable, and Platner is laughably far from being redeemed.
That middle paragraph you have there about an 18 year old who joins and soon quits and feels regretful is literally the same example BE has used as someone who is actually redeemable.
I don’t know BE well enough to speak on the Trump point, but considering how much you seem to be mischaracterizing his point here, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re wrong there as well.
So you have to quit within a specific period of time to be redeemable? We just what, write off anyone who stays too long, no matter how much they regret, apologize, etc.? In Platner’s case specifically, I’m not 100% convinced due to a couple of his reddit comments, but Empanada is acting like anyone on the left is completely gung-ho about former US soldiers as long as there were any sympathetic factors in their enlistment, regardless of how they now feel about the US military, which very plainly isn’t true.
And he’s ridiculing the concept of giving people a chance to redeem themselves based on current remorse, not just considering that remorse to be redemption on its own (which obviously is ridiculous, but I have yet to see anyone on the left doing that).
He’s also doing the enlightened centrist “can’t you see that these things are the same, you utter buffoon?” between someone who did bad things and claims to regret them and someone who is a current war hawk and voted to make BDS illegal.
He literally said in a reddit comment that he joined to kill people and even recently he’s only criticized US war mongering as being “pointless” and harmful to US soldiers. He also had a tattoo that sure resembled a Totemkoff (Nazi symbol) and one of his comments shows that he did know of the symbol, so it seems very unlikely he just got it by accident.
So no, it has very little to do with a period of time and everything to do with people having to actually show remorse and not probably being Nazis. I can’t speak to everyone BE is criticizing but he’s very directly criticized specific liberals who are straight up lying about Platner’s past by saying “oh poverty draft”, meanwhile he was EAGER to do it and not even in need of money.
I’m not sure who the other party you’re referring to at the end there is, but again Platner doesn’t even make big claims about regret, his platform is partially about building up the US military, and he’s said hardly a lick about the horrible shit he did to people. Hardly the token guy that we need to redeem, he hasn’t done shit.
Obviously not lol. It’s criticizing the libs who are glazing Graham Platner, someone who did like 3 tours in the Middle East plus a stint with Blackwater and who literally said in old reddit comments that he joined the military to kill people.
In spite of his history (and fairly privileged background), you’ll have libs saying that actually everything he did was fine bc of the “poverty draft”. The point being made here is doing evil shit doesn’t get a pass bc it got you ahead in life (especially considering that the argument doesn’t even really apply to Platner, who clearly had bad intentions going in, didn’t need the money, and isn’t very remorseful).
Yeah, that explains things. I wasn’t aware of that at all. And I’m really autistic, so when it comes to catching tones and spotting irony, especially in text, I struggle a lot. Sorry!
Explanations.
Is this real? Like, is it actually serious? I know this person had some horrid take, but this… this is something else.No, Empanada has decided that anyone who has ever done a bad thing in the name of US imperialism cannot be redeemed by any means. Not repentance, not working to prevent future injustices, nothing. He’s willfully misunderstanding anyone who disagrees with that notion as condoning those bad actions, and he’s mischaracterizing any mitigating factors as justifications.
For example, stupid, poor 18-year-old, barely an adult, joins the military, quickly realizes that it’s wildly immoral, and quits? Anyone who brings up their stupidity, poverty, or youth to say that their misdeeds were somewhat understandable is saying that they bear no responsibility and killing brown people is good actually, and anyone who thinks that that person might be a good person decades later is similarly supporting imperialism.
It’s just a maximalist inversion of the neocons who believe that anyone joining Hamas is irredeemable even if their family was just mutilated by the IDF. I think he also supported Trump in the 2024 election because even though Trump was going to hurt Palestinians more than Harris, he was going to hurt Americans way more than Harris, and Empanada would rather see the suffering returned than mitigated.
And there it is. The liberal whitewashing a mass murderer by painting them as a 18 year old baby when literally 5 years ago they said how proud they were to mass murder people.
Graham Platner 2020
This your brain on Liberalism. Comparing being a rapist imperialist to guarding your country.
Distaste for war criminals leaving my body when the war criminal is a white dude who wants me to vote for him
Yeah, that’s the comment I was talking about when I said that I don’t consider Platner specifically to necessarily be on the right track. He’s said that he regrets his time in the US armed forces, so he may regret his reasons for joining as well, but he hasn’t articulated that.
Oh, come on. They’re lashing out at anyone they can, regardless of how involved they are in the genocide. They’re out for revenge, not defense. It’s understandable, but it isn’t some noble cause. They’re Islamist fundamentalists. There’s a reason it was Hamas that Israel was propping up to stifle more sympathetic groups.
Is there any evidence that Platner is a rapist? Or are you just assuming that because he’s a murderer?
He said he was proud of his time as a mass murderer invading other countries. He never said he regretted it. You are making stuff as you go.
He was a guard at the notorious Abu Graib rape-torture camp. That’s on the level of being an Auschwitz guard, except Platner wasn’t forced to do it like Nazis were. Graham Platner is worse than a Nazi.
sure thing bro.
this is why the far left isn’t taken seriously. brain on liberalism looks downright sane compared to whatever bonkers is running around in that head of yours if you think that crayon eater was worse than a nazi.
Compare yourself to a Republican which have more votes than Liberals while you’re at it. Also good job ignoring the entire content of the comment and just trying to ad-hom. I understand why you like Liberalism so much though.
Are you referring to Graham Platner?? Because that’s the only person I’ve seen BE specifically admonish and treat as irredeemable, and Platner is laughably far from being redeemed.
That middle paragraph you have there about an 18 year old who joins and soon quits and feels regretful is literally the same example BE has used as someone who is actually redeemable.
I don’t know BE well enough to speak on the Trump point, but considering how much you seem to be mischaracterizing his point here, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re wrong there as well.
So you have to quit within a specific period of time to be redeemable? We just what, write off anyone who stays too long, no matter how much they regret, apologize, etc.? In Platner’s case specifically, I’m not 100% convinced due to a couple of his reddit comments, but Empanada is acting like anyone on the left is completely gung-ho about former US soldiers as long as there were any sympathetic factors in their enlistment, regardless of how they now feel about the US military, which very plainly isn’t true.
And he’s ridiculing the concept of giving people a chance to redeem themselves based on current remorse, not just considering that remorse to be redemption on its own (which obviously is ridiculous, but I have yet to see anyone on the left doing that).
He’s also doing the enlightened centrist “can’t you see that these things are the same, you utter buffoon?” between someone who did bad things and claims to regret them and someone who is a current war hawk and voted to make BDS illegal.
He literally said in a reddit comment that he joined to kill people and even recently he’s only criticized US war mongering as being “pointless” and harmful to US soldiers. He also had a tattoo that sure resembled a Totemkoff (Nazi symbol) and one of his comments shows that he did know of the symbol, so it seems very unlikely he just got it by accident.
So no, it has very little to do with a period of time and everything to do with people having to actually show remorse and not probably being Nazis. I can’t speak to everyone BE is criticizing but he’s very directly criticized specific liberals who are straight up lying about Platner’s past by saying “oh poverty draft”, meanwhile he was EAGER to do it and not even in need of money.
I’m not sure who the other party you’re referring to at the end there is, but again Platner doesn’t even make big claims about regret, his platform is partially about building up the US military, and he’s said hardly a lick about the horrible shit he did to people. Hardly the token guy that we need to redeem, he hasn’t done shit.
And there it is, more lies about how Graham Platner apologized, which doesn’t exist.
I was very careful not to say that. I chose my words with intention. He has said that he regrets joining the army.
Can you link that to me? I’ve heard this claim about 30 times the past two weeks and nobody has ever been able to show me evidence of it.
Literally, thank you 😭
Obviously not lol. It’s criticizing the libs who are glazing Graham Platner, someone who did like 3 tours in the Middle East plus a stint with Blackwater and who literally said in old reddit comments that he joined the military to kill people.
In spite of his history (and fairly privileged background), you’ll have libs saying that actually everything he did was fine bc of the “poverty draft”. The point being made here is doing evil shit doesn’t get a pass bc it got you ahead in life (especially considering that the argument doesn’t even really apply to Platner, who clearly had bad intentions going in, didn’t need the money, and isn’t very remorseful).
Yeah, that explains things. I wasn’t aware of that at all. And I’m really autistic, so when it comes to catching tones and spotting irony, especially in text, I struggle a lot. Sorry!
All good! Apologies for not being kinder.
Stop being so bigoted against disadvantaged minorities.
What? What do you mean?