I can imagine a world where paddle shifters control throttle and regen behavior. Like “downshifting” from a gentle lift and coast to heavy regen-braking in steps, same with “upshifting” from max torque to gentle eco-mode. Would make EVs even more amazing for people like me actually.
The EV6 is quite snappy. Enough to get you car sick, not enough to start making money on the quarter mile.
There are a few design decisions that run me the wrong way. You can’t “paddle shift” if you’re on cruise control, or braking.
The way the shift works is also weird to me. On level 0, there’s no deceleration, and the sensitivity for acceleration is highest. On level 4 you have one pedal drive, with highest sensitivity for braking and slowest acceleration. So if you want to drive your grandma, you have to deal with an over eager breaking action when you release the pedal.
I’d much rather have a “sensitivity shift”. 0 would be for mellow driving, low acceleration and low deceleration. 4 would be for aggressive driving, high acceleration and high braking.
There’s also a myriad of bells and whistles, but thankfully they are configurable. However, the configuration menus make no sense to me. I used to drive Hondas and the adaptation is a process.
Porsche hasn’t lost the plot - they build this stuff intentionally because they know idiots will buy it. It pads their bottom line and lets them continue to make the higher end 911s.
So im guessing you dont like a drivers car which is what porsche’s market is catered too. If you dont like that its completely fine. But for people like me who enjoy manual cars and having something thats engaging to drive give me an ev that simulates ice vehicle dynamics any day. Seeing this means more people who bought ice cars because they were more engaging for track days might be buying evs in the future. That means less noise pollution near race tracks and a more ecologically friendly motor sport. Calling this idiotic is just a bad take, you’re clearly not the market for a drivers car and that fine but dont act like there arent others out there who are waiting for things like this. I like that the ionic 5n does this behavior and seeing more performance cars take this approach means hopefully a shift in a sport I enjoy but is not ecologically friendly might become more so in the future. Plus I can have all the pops and bangs of an ice engine in my car without having to bother anyone outside it :D
I think you haven’t understood my message, and probably not the article itself.
What Porsche does is simulate the behavior of a torque converter automatic transmission. The opposite of a “drivers car” as you put it.
What I’m suggesting is the opposite. Use paddle shifters to alter acceleration and regen torque in a way that’s similar to a sequential or semi-auto transmission. “Downshift” to increase regen (engine breaking) and accel torque, just like downshifting in a petrol car. “Upshift” to reduce them. With the added benefit of zero emissions and the ability to stay in whichever “gear mode” you want.
FWIW I’ve driven manuals for 20 years and although my latest car is a hybrid and the next will be electric, I still “drive” manual in sim racing.
I absolutely love driving my car, a manual VW GTI, which is pretty much a “driver’s car” and I think it’s dumb, too.
If people like it then that’s cool, but not for me.
I don’t understand why automakers tie regenerative braking to the accelerator. Just put down a third pedal, its not like anyone would ever need to accelerate and regen at the same time.
One pedal driving is super convenient in traffic. On longer drives it works with cruise control just like any other car.
For looong country drives it would be nice to have some sort of automatic cruise control: feet off the pedals and the speed is constant, accelerator for faster & brake for slower.
it’s just a fun gimmick to make it feel more interesting to drive you don’t have to enjoy it lol but plenty of people will like it
the last generation of honda insight had paddle shifters to control regen. however “downshifting” to get more regen is slower than just leaving it on the max regen. so the only time it’s fun to use is when timing out a perfect stop at a red light which i don’t think is porsche’s intention with their fake shifting.
This is idiotic.
I can imagine a world where paddle shifters control throttle and regen behavior. Like “downshifting” from a gentle lift and coast to heavy regen-braking in steps, same with “upshifting” from max torque to gentle eco-mode. Would make EVs even more amazing for people like me actually.
But this, this is stupid.
What you describe is the behavior of KIA EVs.
Nice! Are they fun to drive?
The EV6 is quite snappy. Enough to get you car sick, not enough to start making money on the quarter mile.
There are a few design decisions that run me the wrong way. You can’t “paddle shift” if you’re on cruise control, or braking.
The way the shift works is also weird to me. On level 0, there’s no deceleration, and the sensitivity for acceleration is highest. On level 4 you have one pedal drive, with highest sensitivity for braking and slowest acceleration. So if you want to drive your grandma, you have to deal with an over eager breaking action when you release the pedal.
I’d much rather have a “sensitivity shift”. 0 would be for mellow driving, low acceleration and low deceleration. 4 would be for aggressive driving, high acceleration and high braking.
There’s also a myriad of bells and whistles, but thankfully they are configurable. However, the configuration menus make no sense to me. I used to drive Hondas and the adaptation is a process.
I’d say go for a test drive. I’m happy with mine.
As stupid as calling an EV “Turbo”?
Porsche lost the plot a long time ago.
My first PC had a Turbo button.
Its purpose was to make the CPU slower.
I hope someday someone is dumb enough to create a V8 EV…
Porsche hasn’t lost the plot - they build this stuff intentionally because they know idiots will buy it. It pads their bottom line and lets them continue to make the higher end 911s.
So im guessing you dont like a drivers car which is what porsche’s market is catered too. If you dont like that its completely fine. But for people like me who enjoy manual cars and having something thats engaging to drive give me an ev that simulates ice vehicle dynamics any day. Seeing this means more people who bought ice cars because they were more engaging for track days might be buying evs in the future. That means less noise pollution near race tracks and a more ecologically friendly motor sport. Calling this idiotic is just a bad take, you’re clearly not the market for a drivers car and that fine but dont act like there arent others out there who are waiting for things like this. I like that the ionic 5n does this behavior and seeing more performance cars take this approach means hopefully a shift in a sport I enjoy but is not ecologically friendly might become more so in the future. Plus I can have all the pops and bangs of an ice engine in my car without having to bother anyone outside it :D
I think you haven’t understood my message, and probably not the article itself.
What Porsche does is simulate the behavior of a torque converter automatic transmission. The opposite of a “drivers car” as you put it.
What I’m suggesting is the opposite. Use paddle shifters to alter acceleration and regen torque in a way that’s similar to a sequential or semi-auto transmission. “Downshift” to increase regen (engine breaking) and accel torque, just like downshifting in a petrol car. “Upshift” to reduce them. With the added benefit of zero emissions and the ability to stay in whichever “gear mode” you want.
FWIW I’ve driven manuals for 20 years and although my latest car is a hybrid and the next will be electric, I still “drive” manual in sim racing.
I absolutely love driving my car, a manual VW GTI, which is pretty much a “driver’s car” and I think it’s dumb, too. If people like it then that’s cool, but not for me.
I don’t understand why automakers tie regenerative braking to the accelerator. Just put down a third pedal, its not like anyone would ever need to accelerate and regen at the same time.
One pedal driving is super convenient in traffic. On longer drives it works with cruise control just like any other car.
For looong country drives it would be nice to have some sort of automatic cruise control: feet off the pedals and the speed is constant, accelerator for faster & brake for slower.
it’s just a fun gimmick to make it feel more interesting to drive you don’t have to enjoy it lol but plenty of people will like it
the last generation of honda insight had paddle shifters to control regen. however “downshifting” to get more regen is slower than just leaving it on the max regen. so the only time it’s fun to use is when timing out a perfect stop at a red light which i don’t think is porsche’s intention with their fake shifting.