Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News
Lol how can he say that with a straight face.
Do you mean to tell me Ukraine started this senseless war? No? Then fuck off you dumb old man.
We are making Russia our enemy.
- Poisoning of Viktor Yushchenko (2004)
- Energy blackmail (2006)
- Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (2006)
- Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko (2006)
- Murder of Sergei Magnitsky (2009)
- Energy blackmail II (2009)
- Creation Internet Research Agency, aka troll army (2013)
- Started war in Crimea, illegal annexation (2014)
- Started war in Donbas (2014)
- Shootdown and coverup of MH17 (2014)
- Started supporting dictator Assad in Syria (2015)
- Assassination of Boris Nemtsov (2015)
- U.S. election interference I (2016)
- French Election interference (2017)
- Sergei Skripal poisoning (2018)
- Brexit referendum influence (2018)
- U.S. election interference II (2018)
- Tiergarten assassination (2019)
- Navalny poisoning (2020)
- U.S. election interference III (2020)
- COVID-19 disinformation campaign (2020–21)
- Full-scale invasion of Ukraine (2022)
- Bucha massacre (2022)
- Weaponization of energy against EU (2022)
- Forced deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia (2022)
- Migrant weaponization (2023)
- Rheinmetall CEO assassination plot (foiled) (2024)
- Election interference in Moldova & Georgia (2024)
- U.S. election interference IV (2024)
Russia is doing nothing wrong.
Don’t forget 2015 Jade Helm Scare, where they were testing their ability to manipulate using crazy stories on social media. Russia was able to convince gov Abbott of TX to order the TX National Guard to observe training exercises in Central TX because he was convinced that Obama had ordered the army to go into Walmarts, turn them into makeshift detention facilities and was planning to round up people that voted against him in a hostile takeover of the state. Obviously, it was just a training exercise, but the fear on the right was extreme.
Literally 2 posts up on my feed:
This is great for distracting people from the real reason things are getting worse everywhere.
Between the invasion of Ukraine, the troll farms helping inflict Trump on us, the support for fascist parties, the novichok, the airspace incursions, the underwater cable sabotage, and the deployment of drones in western countries’ airspace, that Russia’s the one who has made Russia the enemy.
Don’t fuckin’ DARVO us, Puto, we know what you’re up to. And we know that the only way this ends satisfactorily is with Putin on a meat hook.
Was this before or after the US did those strikes at Syria?
All you do is invade your neighbouring country and commit war crimes, and suddenly you are labeled as the enemy… people are so cruel!
The invader says this?
“I’m starting to think you guys only liked me for my gas!”
Ah fuck you pootles.
fuck putin. end of story.
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I think maybe Russia is making Russia the enemy.
All they had to do was nothing.
No, pootin is making Russia the enemy
Don’t invade other countries. Don’t interfere with other countries’ elections. Considering Russia helped Trump get elected twice and tried three times I’m very angry at them.
I agree with not invading or interfering with other countries elections. But that doesnt really explain why Europe is antagonizing Russia in particular. Europe itself has invaded other countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, bombed others like Libya or Yugoslavia, and they still remain very attached to the king of invading and interfering: the USA. Why doesn’t Europe antagonize Israel during an ongoing genocide against Palestinians?
Russia is antagonizing Europe. They’re trying to steal Ukraine. In 2014 they stole Crimea. They wage hybrid warfare against Europe, The United States, Canada and I’m sure other countries too.
In addition note that Russia internally and globally through their propaganda network supports far-right policies that I’m sure especially given your username “Socialism_Everyday” would strongly be against your beliefs.
Can I ask are you happy with Donald Trump? I’m sure you’re not and you can thank Russia for him being elected twice. Not that Russia is the only one who supported him but I’m sure it was enough to tip the scale in his favor both times he won.
In 2014, Russia intervened in Crimea and annexed it as a hard slam on the table after the USA sponsored a colour revolution in Ukraine. Leaked calls of Victoria Nuland reveal that the USA essentially chose who they would place as president in Ukraine. Russia doesn’t have the propaganda power or economic power or intelligence power to maintain its sphere of influence through soft power against the USA, so it naturally resorts to military power which is the field where it can challenge the west. Regarding Crimea in particular it’s tricky too, because Crimea had a lot of ethnic Russians and many people in Crimea actually wanted to be part of Russia, but Ukraine, as any country would do, was violating the right to self determination of Crimean people in a similar way to what Spain does in Catalonia (I’m Spanish, hence the comparison).
I obviously disagree as a communist against far right policy, but believing the far right is a problem caused by Russia is simply unreasonable. Europe is literally the cradle of fascism, and my country had a 40 year long fascist dictatorship in friendly terms with all of Europe and the USA. 20 years of nonstop austerity regardless of the government in charge in all European countries have forced people into fringe political positions, and far right is promoted by capitalist western owners as an outlet of radical energy against socialism and unions, by framing the issue as a matter of feminism, immigration and identity politics. Russia does some targeting of such things too, but believing that Russia is at fault for the election of Trump and all of the far right over Europe is simply unhinged, and blaming some other nation for all the problems of Europe is not only bad analysis but will result in bad decisions.
You should be aware as a communist Russia infiltrates both the far-right and the “far-left” (I wanted to use another term to be more respectful towards you in case you found the words far-left to be not what you call what you believe so I put it in quotes to mean that’s what other people would call it). That’s how you get communists and socialists saying things like claiming the color revolution was sponsored by the US.
For the link you posted it seems Russia would have the whole call. Why would they only leak a little bit of it? Thinking in general: what could leaking a small amount of a larger conversation do? Also reading the transcript it just seems like people discussing their opinion.
Wikipedia does a great job explaining the history of what you’re talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests known as “Euromaidan” began in response to President Yanukovych’s sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia. Euromaidan soon developed into the largest democratic mass movement in Europe since 1989.[29] The Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the EU association agreement;[30] Russia had pressured Ukraine to reject it.[31] The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.[32] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption and abuse of power, the influence of Russia and oligarchs, police brutality, human rights violations,[33][34] and repressive anti-protest laws.[33]
A large, barricaded protest camp occupied Independence Square in central Kyiv throughout the ‘Maidan Uprising’. In January and February 2014, clashes between protesters and Berkut special riot police resulted in the deaths of 108 protesters and 13 police officers,[20] and the wounding of many others. The first protesters were killed in fierce clashes with police on Hrushevsky Street on 19–22 January. Following this, protesters occupied government buildings throughout the country. Ukraine’s government resigned on 28 January. Most of the slain protesters were killed on 18–20 February, during the most severe violence in Ukraine since it regained independence.[35] Thousands of protesters advanced towards parliament, led by activists with shields and helmets, and were fired on by police snipers.[20]
On 21 February, Yanukovych and the opposition signed an agreement to bring about an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections. Police abandoned central Kyiv that afternoon. Yanukovych secretly fled the city that evening.[36] On 22 February, the Ukrainian parliament unanimously voted to remove Yanukovych from office. About 73% of the parliament and members of all parties voted to remove him.[37][38][39][40] Yanukovych claimed this vote was illegal and asked Russia for help.[41] Russian propaganda described the events as a “coup”.[42][43][44]
Far-left isn’t insulting to me, I actually like those words. It implies that we’re further from the right than the left, which I believe to be true. I also don’t shy away from terms such as radical.
It’s not Russia saying that Ukraine had a colour revolution sponsored by the USA, it’s the USA itself, hence me pointing to leaked calls by Victoria Nuland and not to Russia Today. Communists were also called pro-Iran and Irani assets when they rejected the invasion of Iran, they were called Russian assets when they opposed the mass bombing of Vietnam, and they get called antisemites for opposing the genocide of Palestinians.
Wikipedia as a source for geopolitically charged topics is kinda useless. It is a source edited foremost by western men below 50, so it’s bound to portray the bias that western men below 50 portray. It almost exclusively uses western sources which aren’t reliable for geopolitically charged topics as I hope you noticed during the collective whitewashing of the genocide in Palestine that happened in front of our eyes for the past years. One only has to wonder why such “pro-democracy” and “pro-freedom” “spontaneous protests leading to regime change” only happen in countries with leadership aligned against the west, but nothing similar happens in Saudi Arabia, Morocco or Puerto Rico. I’ve read the information about the Maidan a thousand times and everything screams western involvement, including but not limited to the leaked calls I mentioned, or National Endowment for Democracy funding of NGOs and civil organizations. From the link: “In its 2015 annual report, NED admitted its grants played a role in the early stages of the 2013–2014 Revolution of Dignity protests. It allocated about $14 million between 2011 and 2014 to support Ukrainian NGOs, and credited groups like the Institute of Mass Information for active involvement in the uprising”.
Might have something to do with Russia attacking a European country.
Yugoslavia was in Europe too when NATO bombed it.
I also dislike the idea that only European lives matter and Europe can be allies with murderous genocidal regimes as long as they murder brown people.
Geopolitics doesn’t always neatly map onto ideology. NATO itself isn’t anything more than a defensive alliance. Countries like Estonia and Finland would be in constant fear of invasion from Russia if not for NATO, that’s why they still support the US even if they may not even agree with it 50% of the time.
Go ask a Libyan or a Yugoslav what they feel about NATO being exclusively a defensive alliance. Or an Iraqi or Afghani for that matter, even if those weren’t official NATO involvements.
Countries like Finland and Estonia would be better off trying to build friendly relations with Russia that give rise to peace in the continent and questioning why the US+Ukraine blew up the Nordstream leading to hundreds of thousands of impoverished citizens in their countries, if Russia wanted to invade why was it doing economic treaties and pushing for annexion to EU until the west started meddling in Georgia or Ukraine through soft power and colour revolutions? If I were an Estonian or a Finn I’d be more concerned with the rise of the far right in my own country and the austerity policy carried out over the past 20 years.
You’re going to have to provide some sources that provide publicly verified, conclusive evidence that goes beyond simple leads or speculation for your claim about the Nordstream.
Also Russia’s economic treaties do not prove that they weren’t intending to invade anyways.
About the Nordstream, even Wikipedia echoes this…
“On August 21, 2025, the Italian police arrested a Ukrainian man on suspicion of being involved in the sabotage,[19][20][21] following European arrest warrants issued by German authorities[22] and on September 30 near Warsaw Polish police arrested another Ukrainian, who had evaded arrest since August 2024. As of September 2025 the German investigation reportedly had identified seven suspects including former members of a private diving school in Kyiv, one of whom has died.[23] In October 2025 the suspect arrested in Poland was released when a Polish court denied the German extradition request”
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they? We see the opposite usually, with the USA doing economic sanctions to Iran and Venezuela and attacking them later.
Your cited Wikipedia shows that Ukrainians were involved in the sabotage not that the Ukrainian state was involved in the sabotage. Two very big distinctions here. You also haven’t show where the US was involved in this.
Economic treaties kinda do imply a good intention, don’t they?
Have you ever heard of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Additionally, Ukraine’s economy was heavily tied in with Russia’s before the 2014 conflict.
I think this shows a clear trend that runs counter to your claim
