• davetortoise@reddthat.com
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    He made a deal with Trump. Maduro has abandoned venezuela. You can’t capture a national leader this easily unless they’re compliant

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        Trump gets:

        • Venezuelan oil and mineral wealth
        • cheap labour of Venezuelan people under occupation
        • PR win at a time when his approval is at an all time low
        • distraction from the Epstein files

        Maduro gets:

        • to a escape a long and bloody war he’d probably lose
        • a cushy life in Florida with a new identity
        • safety for his family
        • escaping trial for anything he might have done during his presidency
        • falseWhite@lemmy.world
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          • How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

          • The same is true for "cheap labor. They are not occupied. They will be electing a new president/government. Of course, the USA will try to install their own pawns to get that oil and minerals. But they still might fail.

          • How is this a PR win? A PR win amongst his 30% of cult followers maybe, I don’t think it’s gonna make anyone else like him.

          • Maduro is not getting a cushy life and a new identity. He is going to stand trial, and Trump will make a spectacle of it. Now that might win him some PR points.

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            • How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

            He has already claimed them and is talking more boots in the ground.

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            You get the oil and minerals because the next guy knows not to deny you when you ask

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            They are not occupied

            Yet, you mean? I don’t know what to expect anymore, so nothing is out of the question

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            It’ll be weird to watch. He just pardoned a convicted cartel boss that was the leader of a nation with the excuse that the leader of a nation wouldn’t be involved in drug trafficking or murder.

            It’ll be a three ring circus and he’ll probably lose since he can’t even manage to successfully prosecute a single immigrant.

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            How does trump get oil and minerals? He doesn’t, because Venezuela is still an independent country and is not occupied by the USA.

            The replacement is little more than a US puppet. She will be indebted to Trump for as long as he remains in office, be it three more years, or for the rest of his life.

            They will be electing a new president/government.

            That has technically already happened. Maduro just refused to transfer power.

            As far at the PR goes, Trump doesn’t need PR anymore. His idiot base are unshakable. If he can get convicted of multiple felonies and still get elected, and then the Epstein files drop and implicate him and he still doesn’t get brought up on impeachment charges, then there’s no social ramifications for him any longer. Congress and the courts will protect him from run-of-the-mill abuses of power and scandals that would otherwise be devastating to a normal political figure. About the only thing he’s in danger of is letting people starve, which will cause mass riots. As long as he can avoid total economic collapse, he’ll be fine.

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      If there was any “deal” made, both the army and his personal security would have had to be informed. This seems very unlikely as it would be extremely difficult to hide this plot unless they kill everyone who knows about this.

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      that’s a major hit to their ability to fight back right? Even if he wasn’t collaborating losing a monolithic leader like would be a massive blow their ability to effectively resist.