Some leftists talk about a general strike like its the rapture. You need the ground work done. We’ve done none of the work broadly to make something like that feasible. Strikers need economic and legal leverage, they’d have basically none if they tried.
A general strike would need to be huge to work. And yet we see folk bitching that the No Kings rallies “did nothing”, as if.just getting America to stand up wasn’t an accomplishment.
It may have been a accomplishment, but it was not even nearly enough. Nobody was impressed, least of all the fascists. If you want to hurt trump, hurt the moneys
And it’s sentiment like this that makes it clear that the people clambering for people to “just do a general strike” or “just take up arms” have given no thoughts to how to do that without wasting the resources or lives of the people they demand take action. If you take part in union organizing, you learn that you have to make all of your attempts count, otherwise you’re blowing your chances and making it harder in the future by alerting the bosses. Yes, you have to impact their money, but just like “vote with your wallet” is an empty phrase if there’s no mass movement around a specific product/company, to actually deal with the structural issues that billionaires and the companies they represent present, individuals have to band together to create structures that can contend with them. Otherwise, it’s just proposing individual actions to address structural problems, and that plays enough into the hands of these tyrants that they’ll say that’s the “right” way to deal with the problems they cause.
It’s not that I haven’t thought of that, and of course I understand that people still need food on the table
I also understand that it’s Americans that got us here in the first place. Had this been made Germany 1930-ish, I would have told Germans the same because well, we all know where this ends if nobody is willing to do something
And mind you, we don’t have extermination camps yet, but so far this US government had been more than willing to copy from their predecessors, I would not rule out anything at this point
Point is: had Americans bothered to show up voting, we wouldn’t be here. Yeah, I know, voting has already been made hard because Republicans only win if fewer people show up because they’re basically a minority, but they are vocal and dedicated. They vote. That’s why they won. Had Democrats or just plainly more Americans back then bothered to vote, we wouldn’t be here.
Americans caused this, can they PLEASE not rely on the rest of the world to fix their problem, this time?
You’re just airing your frustrations with this response. None of this is actionable advice about what Americans should actually be doing that takes in mind the advice of the person you are responding to.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I presume you mean that it was an exercise in preaching to the choir.
But the way you put it seems to denigrate the white liberals themselves. Are you actively scorning valuable supporters?
Prior to the protests, there was a lot of discussion about how people of color, and especially black Americans, were always the ones putting their neck on the line for progress in this country and that they felt particularly vulnerable and that it was time for white people to stand up. I heard that line repeatedly. So why are we criticizing them for standing up when we told them to stand up?
How about you try to be inclusive and encourage as many people to join your cause as possible?!
Not “my” cause. I’m sure it will be at some point, when your inaction ends with this shit at my country’s border, but no, right now this isn’t my fight.
I will stop criticizing them when they do something.
No, having a cute little parade doesn’t count. It’s hilarious that you call them “valuable supporters.” They’re do-nothing cowards at BEST, and fascist enablers at worst.
It was impressive we managed to get so many of our lazy as fuck countrymen to stand up and do something.
It was still a fraction of a fraction of the size it needed to be. Didn’t accomplish anything at all and basically was a massive waste of time in the pursuit of change.
If we could pull something off of that scale every week, and grow it. Then it would mean something. Till then it’s little more then hot air.
And if we want a general strike to work it would need to be sizeable, far larger then what no kings was.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or keep working towards it. But we need to focus on the working towards it part more and not try to skip steps.
There are active psyops preventing us from developing these things. The leftist vs liberal thing for starters. The two groups have a lot in common. Even conservatives/libertarians you could ally with on specific things.
Some leftists talk about a general strike like its the rapture. You need the ground work done. We’ve done none of the work broadly to make something like that feasible. Strikers need economic and legal leverage, they’d have basically none if they tried.
You have to walk before you run.
A general strike would need to be huge to work. And yet we see folk bitching that the No Kings rallies “did nothing”, as if.just getting America to stand up wasn’t an accomplishment.
It may have been a accomplishment, but it was not even nearly enough. Nobody was impressed, least of all the fascists. If you want to hurt trump, hurt the moneys
And it’s sentiment like this that makes it clear that the people clambering for people to “just do a general strike” or “just take up arms” have given no thoughts to how to do that without wasting the resources or lives of the people they demand take action. If you take part in union organizing, you learn that you have to make all of your attempts count, otherwise you’re blowing your chances and making it harder in the future by alerting the bosses. Yes, you have to impact their money, but just like “vote with your wallet” is an empty phrase if there’s no mass movement around a specific product/company, to actually deal with the structural issues that billionaires and the companies they represent present, individuals have to band together to create structures that can contend with them. Otherwise, it’s just proposing individual actions to address structural problems, and that plays enough into the hands of these tyrants that they’ll say that’s the “right” way to deal with the problems they cause.
It’s not that I haven’t thought of that, and of course I understand that people still need food on the table
I also understand that it’s Americans that got us here in the first place. Had this been made Germany 1930-ish, I would have told Germans the same because well, we all know where this ends if nobody is willing to do something
And mind you, we don’t have extermination camps yet, but so far this US government had been more than willing to copy from their predecessors, I would not rule out anything at this point
Point is: had Americans bothered to show up voting, we wouldn’t be here. Yeah, I know, voting has already been made hard because Republicans only win if fewer people show up because they’re basically a minority, but they are vocal and dedicated. They vote. That’s why they won. Had Democrats or just plainly more Americans back then bothered to vote, we wouldn’t be here.
Americans caused this, can they PLEASE not rely on the rest of the world to fix their problem, this time?
You’re just airing your frustrations with this response. None of this is actionable advice about what Americans should actually be doing that takes in mind the advice of the person you are responding to.
Getting white liberals to congratulate themselves for their good intentions on a Saturday is very much NOT an accomplishment.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I presume you mean that it was an exercise in preaching to the choir.
But the way you put it seems to denigrate the white liberals themselves. Are you actively scorning valuable supporters?
Prior to the protests, there was a lot of discussion about how people of color, and especially black Americans, were always the ones putting their neck on the line for progress in this country and that they felt particularly vulnerable and that it was time for white people to stand up. I heard that line repeatedly. So why are we criticizing them for standing up when we told them to stand up?
How about you try to be inclusive and encourage as many people to join your cause as possible?!
Not “my” cause. I’m sure it will be at some point, when your inaction ends with this shit at my country’s border, but no, right now this isn’t my fight.
I will stop criticizing them when they do something.
No, having a cute little parade doesn’t count. It’s hilarious that you call them “valuable supporters.” They’re do-nothing cowards at BEST, and fascist enablers at worst.
It was impressive we managed to get so many of our lazy as fuck countrymen to stand up and do something.
It was still a fraction of a fraction of the size it needed to be. Didn’t accomplish anything at all and basically was a massive waste of time in the pursuit of change.
If we could pull something off of that scale every week, and grow it. Then it would mean something. Till then it’s little more then hot air.
And if we want a general strike to work it would need to be sizeable, far larger then what no kings was.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or keep working towards it. But we need to focus on the working towards it part more and not try to skip steps.
Anytime I see posts talking about a general strike I equate to “thoughts and prayers”.
Yes, but also its worse. They are demanding people shoot themselves in the crotch and saying we’re cowards for not shooting ourselves in the crotch.
There are active psyops preventing us from developing these things. The leftist vs liberal thing for starters. The two groups have a lot in common. Even conservatives/libertarians you could ally with on specific things.