Imagine if a man were to make a “joke” at women’s expense, and then when women get angry in the comments he says “see, women are sensitive/emotional creatures after all!”
Having been around since 1978 i assure you this this was the case for a very long time and still very much is the case in parts of the internet.
Well in those cases, it’s wrong. And in this case, it’s still wrong. Just because it’s happened the one way, doesn’t make the other way okay. Both are wrong.
The equivalency stands. And if you don’t think so, then you’re a hypocrite.
Not saying one is right, but there are a lot of things you need to learn beyond your kindergarten level of right and wrong about power dynamics and how actions and comments impact differently across these strata. The fact I had to point out to you that men denigrating women is the majority of western history and am now also pointing out there’s a sharp uptick very loudly occurring right now makes me think you are not in a position to start screaming hypocrisy because some rando talked shit about cis men on a single lemmy thread.
Note this: I never said it’s okay for men to denigrate women. It’s not.
Note this also: you’re essentially arguing that it’s okay for women to denigrate men. It’s not.
And for you to insist that one is okay while the other isn’t, is called a double standard. You haven’t examined your own biases, because you think you don’t even have to.
If that’s your line of reasoning, then I’m not going to take you seriously. You’re no better than a misogynist.
Unfounded personal attacks? This entire thread is about you and one other person claiming it’s completely okay for you to denigrate an entire demographic of people. One which happens to include me.
But now you feel personally attacked when I say I can’t take you seriously because you’re just as bad as a misogynist?
If I were to make denigrating comments about women, and you were to call me a misogynist, would that be an “unfounded personal attack?”
You can’t even see your own biases. You’re the one whose argument is rife with logical fallacies. And you don’t even realize that you’re the one being childish. So much projection out of you. And no, saying that isn’t an “unfounded personal attack.”
actions and comments impact differently across these strata
implying that women’s feelings matter, but men’s don’t.
You also said
Don’t try that equivalency
implying that women denigrating men is somehow different from men denigrating women
And it’s all in the context of you coming to the defense of someone who basically said “cis men should be excluded from class solidarity.” And then laughing about men feeling “triggered” and “mansplaining” in the comments.
So how would it be different if I said “oh, haha, a woman got triggered and now she’s trying to womansplain.”
Unless you see the similarity there, there’s no way my tiny voice will reach you up on that high moral pedestal you’re on.
You’ve basically been derailing this whole time. I called out someone’s bigotry and you said “but what about all those times men were bigots!” Well, we’re not talking about those times in this thread because that isn’t what this conversation is about. Nobody is saying that’s okay either, but apparently you can’t handle a man telling a woman that it’s not okay for her to be a bigot either, and you felt the need to come to her defense.
What was the literal first line of the comment you are quoting from there?
“don’t try and equate actual events and centuries of opression with a random comment made by one person on the internet” should not be a contentious idea that upsets you. It flat out shouldn’t
The context of me entering the conversation? Was not coming to anyone’s defence. It was don’t make a false equivalence. That was it.
Aaand now you’re fleeing back down your own constructs. I’m not actually necessary to the proceedings at this point, am i?
Having been around since 1978 i assure you this this was the case for a very long time and still very much is the case in parts of the internet.
Don’t try that equivalency.
Well in those cases, it’s wrong. And in this case, it’s still wrong. Just because it’s happened the one way, doesn’t make the other way okay. Both are wrong.
The equivalency stands. And if you don’t think so, then you’re a hypocrite.
Not saying one is right, but there are a lot of things you need to learn beyond your kindergarten level of right and wrong about power dynamics and how actions and comments impact differently across these strata. The fact I had to point out to you that men denigrating women is the majority of western history and am now also pointing out there’s a sharp uptick very loudly occurring right now makes me think you are not in a position to start screaming hypocrisy because some rando talked shit about cis men on a single lemmy thread.
Note this: I never said it’s okay for men to denigrate women. It’s not.
Note this also: you’re essentially arguing that it’s okay for women to denigrate men. It’s not.
And for you to insist that one is okay while the other isn’t, is called a double standard. You haven’t examined your own biases, because you think you don’t even have to.
If that’s your line of reasoning, then I’m not going to take you seriously. You’re no better than a misogynist.
ok that’s twice now you’ve decided to end your comments to me with unfounded personal attacks. You need to stop doing that.
I mean, there’s a bunch of other logical fallacies going on there as well. But ending with sniping is a ridiculously childish tactic.
Unfounded personal attacks? This entire thread is about you and one other person claiming it’s completely okay for you to denigrate an entire demographic of people. One which happens to include me.
But now you feel personally attacked when I say I can’t take you seriously because you’re just as bad as a misogynist?
If I were to make denigrating comments about women, and you were to call me a misogynist, would that be an “unfounded personal attack?”
You can’t even see your own biases. You’re the one whose argument is rife with logical fallacies. And you don’t even realize that you’re the one being childish. So much projection out of you. And no, saying that isn’t an “unfounded personal attack.”
Show me in this thread where i said it’s ok to denigrate men. Or even when i did.
Go on.
Now do you get it? You’re making shit up and attacking people over it.
You said
implying that women’s feelings matter, but men’s don’t.
You also said
implying that women denigrating men is somehow different from men denigrating women
And it’s all in the context of you coming to the defense of someone who basically said “cis men should be excluded from class solidarity.” And then laughing about men feeling “triggered” and “mansplaining” in the comments.
So how would it be different if I said “oh, haha, a woman got triggered and now she’s trying to womansplain.”
Unless you see the similarity there, there’s no way my tiny voice will reach you up on that high moral pedestal you’re on.
You’ve basically been derailing this whole time. I called out someone’s bigotry and you said “but what about all those times men were bigots!” Well, we’re not talking about those times in this thread because that isn’t what this conversation is about. Nobody is saying that’s okay either, but apparently you can’t handle a man telling a woman that it’s not okay for her to be a bigot either, and you felt the need to come to her defense.
Oh hon, you got messed up.
What strata was i referring to?
What was the literal first line of the comment you are quoting from there?
“don’t try and equate actual events and centuries of opression with a random comment made by one person on the internet” should not be a contentious idea that upsets you. It flat out shouldn’t
The context of me entering the conversation? Was not coming to anyone’s defence. It was don’t make a false equivalence. That was it.
Aaand now you’re fleeing back down your own constructs. I’m not actually necessary to the proceedings at this point, am i?