If you want, you can find the data on the number of school shootings before and after Columbine. Here is a website with those stats: https://echomovement.org/school-shootings/
You can see that the change was slight at first, but in the last 10 years it has gone through the roof.
So, you can argue that there is no way to know how many were prevented, but we can see that they occur in MUCH larger numbers than they did pre-Columbine. Maybe the numbers would be higher without the cops there? Whose to say. I can tell you that there seems to be a problem that we aren’t addressing, and sending cops into schools to arrest little children of color doesn’t seem to be the answer we all are hoping for. Maybe we can look at the system in systemic racism and see what systems need to change? Does that system involve gutless fucking pigs who like to shoot minorities and hide while children are being mowed down? Maybe we should have a fucking barbecue.
So, yeah. You can’t say how many they’ve prevented, but I can tell you how many dead children are buried now on their watch, and that tells me they aren’t worth the salt in the cure.
There was a Federal ban on certain military style assault weapons from 1994-2004. During that time, mass shootings were fairly rare, as you stated. The Columbine massacre was in 1999, and kind of started the era of modern mass shootings, but it didn’t really kick in until the ban ended a few years later, as you stated.
The assault rifle ban worked as planned, and it’s clear that the minute it was lifted, mass shootings began.
I think that’s mostly incidental. That ban was mostly on cosmetic features, not the core functionality of the guns. You could, and I did, still buy AR-15 and M-16 platforms. They just didn’t come with the tactical/ military style stocks and magazines. I could get smaller mags and just swap mags faster.
This is a feature of almost every gun legislation that has managed to pass in the US. They manage to make people who don’t know much about guns feel safe, and the gun manufacturers don’t lobby against the laws because there are loopholes that one could drive a tank through, so they won’t lose any profits.
I just wrote this in response to another post, but it applies here, so please forgive me for the cut & paste:
This is an important subject that doesn’t get ANY discussion. The type of gun makes a HUGE difference in these cases.
Military assault rifles aren’t much different than a standard hunting rifle, like a Ruger. And yet, they are overwhelmingly the choice of most mass shooters. When was the last time you heard of a shooter using a standard hunting rifle?
The reason is psychological. Nobody would dispute that anyone who has committed to a mass shooting is psychologically compromised, and so their warped psychology has to be applied to everything they do, especially their choice of weapon.
The overall objective of any mass shooter is to show the world that they are someone powerful who should be taken seriously. They feel weak and victimized, and it’s time to turn the tables. They want their victims to feel fear, and shame, and humiliation as they cower at the end of their gun, and to that end, they need a big scary black weapon to impress not only his victims, but himself. That gun provides the psychological motivation to carry out their mission. Other weapons may be scary, and equally lethal, but they don’t have nearly the same psychological effect on either the victims or the shooter.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if gun manufacturers recognize this, and actually design guns to appeal to this particular psychological profile. I expect it. After all, whenever there is a school massacre, gun sales for this type of weapon go up. School shootings are among their best marketing.
It wouldn’t be the first time corporations have done something that evil. Tobacco manufacturers covered up their own studies confirming tobacco addiction and cancer, and marketed against it for years, even as they manipulated their formulas to be more addictive, addict people faster, and make it harder to quit. Oil companies knew about Climate Change from their own studies years before it became widely known, and still deny it to this day. Evil companies do shit like that routinely, and it’s hard to imagine a more evil industry than arms manufacturing.
So we can ban assault weapons, without banning hunting rifles with the same lethal potential, because standard hunting rifles aren’t designed to attract and inflame the most psychologically broken individuals in our society.
And BTW, just because the VTech killer used handguns, does not negate the truth about MOST mass shooters using military style weapons. It’s still a fact in most massacres.
I will agree with most of your points, the point that I was making is that I would like some gun legislation that actually bans those guns, not the cosmetics.
Sure it just looks like a hunting rifle, but someone that wants to use my AR-15 or M-16 for something like that, would still be able to do so, and they can order the tacticool shit online and change out the stocks with a few turns of a screw. I shouldn’t have been able to buy the platform. The cosmetics aren’t an effective ban.
This is an important subject that doesn’t get ANY discussion. The type of gun makes a HUGE difference in these cases.
Military assault rifles aren’t much different than a standard hunting rifle, like a Ruger. And yet, they are overwhelmingly the choice of most mass shooters. When was the last time you heard of a shooter using a standard hunting rifle?
The reason is psychological. Nobody would dispute that anyone who has committed to a mass shooting is psychologically compromised, and so their warped psychology has to be applied to everything they do, especially their choice of weapon.
The overall objective of any mass shooter is to show the world that they are someone powerful who should be taken seriously. They feel weak and victimized, and it’s time to turn the tables. They want their victims to feel fear, and shame, and humiliation as they cower at the end of their gun, and to that end, they need a big scary black weapon to impress not only his victims, but himself. That gun provides the psychological motivation to carry out their mission. Other weapons may be scary, and equally lethal, but they don’t have nearly the same psychological effect on either the victims or the shooter.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if gun manufacturers recognize this, and actually design guns to appeal to this particular psychological profile. I expect it. After all, whenever there is a school massacre, gun sales for this type of weapon go up. School shootings are among their best marketing.
It wouldn’t be the first time corporations have done something that evil. Tobacco manufacturers covered up their own studies confirming tobacco addiction and cancer, and marketed against it for years, even as they manipulated their formulas to be more addictive, addict people faster, and make it harder to quit. Oil companies knew about Climate Change from their own studies years before it became widely known, and still deny it to this day. Evil companies do shit like that routinely, and it’s hard to imagine a more evil industry than arms manufacturing.
So we can ban assault weapons, without banning hunting rifles with the same lethal potential, because standard hunting rifles aren’t designed to attract and inflame the most psychologically broken individuals in our society.
And BTW, just because the VTech killer used handguns, does not negate the truth about MOST mass shooters using military style weapons. It’s still a fact in most massacres.
If you want, you can find the data on the number of school shootings before and after Columbine. Here is a website with those stats: https://echomovement.org/school-shootings/
You can see that the change was slight at first, but in the last 10 years it has gone through the roof.
So, you can argue that there is no way to know how many were prevented, but we can see that they occur in MUCH larger numbers than they did pre-Columbine. Maybe the numbers would be higher without the cops there? Whose to say. I can tell you that there seems to be a problem that we aren’t addressing, and sending cops into schools to arrest little children of color doesn’t seem to be the answer we all are hoping for. Maybe we can look at the system in systemic racism and see what systems need to change? Does that system involve gutless fucking pigs who like to shoot minorities and hide while children are being mowed down? Maybe we should have a fucking barbecue.
So, yeah. You can’t say how many they’ve prevented, but I can tell you how many dead children are buried now on their watch, and that tells me they aren’t worth the salt in the cure.
There was a Federal ban on certain military style assault weapons from 1994-2004. During that time, mass shootings were fairly rare, as you stated. The Columbine massacre was in 1999, and kind of started the era of modern mass shootings, but it didn’t really kick in until the ban ended a few years later, as you stated.
The assault rifle ban worked as planned, and it’s clear that the minute it was lifted, mass shootings began.
I think that’s mostly incidental. That ban was mostly on cosmetic features, not the core functionality of the guns. You could, and I did, still buy AR-15 and M-16 platforms. They just didn’t come with the tactical/ military style stocks and magazines. I could get smaller mags and just swap mags faster.
This is a feature of almost every gun legislation that has managed to pass in the US. They manage to make people who don’t know much about guns feel safe, and the gun manufacturers don’t lobby against the laws because there are loopholes that one could drive a tank through, so they won’t lose any profits.
I just wrote this in response to another post, but it applies here, so please forgive me for the cut & paste:
This is an important subject that doesn’t get ANY discussion. The type of gun makes a HUGE difference in these cases.
Military assault rifles aren’t much different than a standard hunting rifle, like a Ruger. And yet, they are overwhelmingly the choice of most mass shooters. When was the last time you heard of a shooter using a standard hunting rifle?
The reason is psychological. Nobody would dispute that anyone who has committed to a mass shooting is psychologically compromised, and so their warped psychology has to be applied to everything they do, especially their choice of weapon.
The overall objective of any mass shooter is to show the world that they are someone powerful who should be taken seriously. They feel weak and victimized, and it’s time to turn the tables. They want their victims to feel fear, and shame, and humiliation as they cower at the end of their gun, and to that end, they need a big scary black weapon to impress not only his victims, but himself. That gun provides the psychological motivation to carry out their mission. Other weapons may be scary, and equally lethal, but they don’t have nearly the same psychological effect on either the victims or the shooter.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if gun manufacturers recognize this, and actually design guns to appeal to this particular psychological profile. I expect it. After all, whenever there is a school massacre, gun sales for this type of weapon go up. School shootings are among their best marketing.
It wouldn’t be the first time corporations have done something that evil. Tobacco manufacturers covered up their own studies confirming tobacco addiction and cancer, and marketed against it for years, even as they manipulated their formulas to be more addictive, addict people faster, and make it harder to quit. Oil companies knew about Climate Change from their own studies years before it became widely known, and still deny it to this day. Evil companies do shit like that routinely, and it’s hard to imagine a more evil industry than arms manufacturing.
So we can ban assault weapons, without banning hunting rifles with the same lethal potential, because standard hunting rifles aren’t designed to attract and inflame the most psychologically broken individuals in our society.
And BTW, just because the VTech killer used handguns, does not negate the truth about MOST mass shooters using military style weapons. It’s still a fact in most massacres.
I will agree with most of your points, the point that I was making is that I would like some gun legislation that actually bans those guns, not the cosmetics.
Sure it just looks like a hunting rifle, but someone that wants to use my AR-15 or M-16 for something like that, would still be able to do so, and they can order the tacticool shit online and change out the stocks with a few turns of a screw. I shouldn’t have been able to buy the platform. The cosmetics aren’t an effective ban.
The style of gun doesn’t cause mass shootings, thats silly. Though it probably increases dead:wounded ratio. Then again vtech was done with handguns.
This is an important subject that doesn’t get ANY discussion. The type of gun makes a HUGE difference in these cases.
Military assault rifles aren’t much different than a standard hunting rifle, like a Ruger. And yet, they are overwhelmingly the choice of most mass shooters. When was the last time you heard of a shooter using a standard hunting rifle?
The reason is psychological. Nobody would dispute that anyone who has committed to a mass shooting is psychologically compromised, and so their warped psychology has to be applied to everything they do, especially their choice of weapon.
The overall objective of any mass shooter is to show the world that they are someone powerful who should be taken seriously. They feel weak and victimized, and it’s time to turn the tables. They want their victims to feel fear, and shame, and humiliation as they cower at the end of their gun, and to that end, they need a big scary black weapon to impress not only his victims, but himself. That gun provides the psychological motivation to carry out their mission. Other weapons may be scary, and equally lethal, but they don’t have nearly the same psychological effect on either the victims or the shooter.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if gun manufacturers recognize this, and actually design guns to appeal to this particular psychological profile. I expect it. After all, whenever there is a school massacre, gun sales for this type of weapon go up. School shootings are among their best marketing.
It wouldn’t be the first time corporations have done something that evil. Tobacco manufacturers covered up their own studies confirming tobacco addiction and cancer, and marketed against it for years, even as they manipulated their formulas to be more addictive, addict people faster, and make it harder to quit. Oil companies knew about Climate Change from their own studies years before it became widely known, and still deny it to this day. Evil companies do shit like that routinely, and it’s hard to imagine a more evil industry than arms manufacturing.
So we can ban assault weapons, without banning hunting rifles with the same lethal potential, because standard hunting rifles aren’t designed to attract and inflame the most psychologically broken individuals in our society.
And BTW, just because the VTech killer used handguns, does not negate the truth about MOST mass shooters using military style weapons. It’s still a fact in most massacres.
So would there be fewer mass shootings if all guns were required to be colored pink and have no fewer than 3 floppy dildo attachments?
Almost certainly.