I’m not denying anything, except the neutrality of HRAI. It looks, in my view, as a CIA front. Also, they report 10000 detained people, but it’s not like you would care about it.
What are you looking for, here? Posts of solidarity with the Iranian protests? Seems like you could have just made one. Be the change.
Simply pointing out how there’s (rightfully!) all the righteous anger in the world when certain countries do evil, but a blatant massacre is going unremarked upon or excused because Iran is “anti-west”. I was expecting more than apathetic shrugs here.
I’m seeing posts. I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have little respect for “where are all the posts?” posts. It’s complaining that everyone else isn’t doing it for you. Someone has to sit down and post those posts. Maybe for this, since you obviously care, it’s you. Instead you’re shitting on everyone else for not already having done it.
Well, I ain’t, hence this post. Fun fact: I did actually sit down and post this post, as evidenced by us posting within this post. Sorry to drive you up the post by my posting, I shall send by post a post-it note reminding me to post more post-haste.
“ICE officers roam the streets and kill innocent civilians but 3%er, patriot front, nra and proud boys are silent”
By all means, inform us of all you are doing to help so we can also support things.
Otherwise you’re just trying to feel morally superior
Speaking up is a good start. Having infinite energy for condemnation of every misstep of a bourgeois liberal regime but not a single moment for the condemnation of repression in an authoritarian theocratic regime because it’s “Anti-West” is suspect.
Luckily(/s) many of the usual suspects on here have shown that they have plenty of energy… for condemning the Iranian protests.
Thank you, well said!
I like how you conflate three very different groups of users together and smear half of them as something they’re not.
Sorry. What am I supposed to be doing?
Fly to Iran? Get killed or arrested?
Mentioning it? This site is surprisingly a ghost town when it comes to an actual revolution being repressed. Going to a protest near your politicians or calling/writing them.
They’re not revolutionizing in the correct revolutionary way, which makes them bourgeoise agents of Western Imperialism.
2500 dead, 10 000 arrested.
Yes, but you see, the US is on their side, which means they’re the bad guys.
On the one hand, sure, the people there should watch out for the possibility that the US or similar tries to get a government satisfactory to them installed if the current one falls.
But on the other hand, it’s not like there’s any mechanism, in a revolution, to collectively declare “you’re not allowed to support us” and have it stick. So if all it takes for a revolution to be illegitimate is the US to declare itself in favor, then the US has the power to delegitimize any revolution it wishes without recourse, which doesn’t make much sense.
My personal problem with this is that we’re not talking about ANY country but specifically about the current US admin which has recently, shitting on all international rules, declared itself to be above international law and kidnapped an foreign leader (yes, he was dictator, but for international laws to be valuable they must treat EVERYONE equal… not only the ones deemed worthy by the biggest bully in the yard). Since this isn’t the first wave of protests but the first one to, apparently, get inhumanely bloody in this magnitude one obvious key factor differing this one from the previous ones is the openly hostile and antidemocratic US admin taking power one year ago.
Taking this factors into consideration it seems highly questionable weather these protests will lead to an overall better situation for the Iranian people… and this outcome would be the only one justifying the blood shed.
People don’t want to repeat their mistake of blindly cheering revolutions just for them to turn into even worse dictatorships afterwards… like it happened in many countries after Arabian spring. Hence the skepticism and caution in my eyes is more a sign of an ability to learn from past mistakes… especially since this time a foreign nation isn’t ,secondarily involved" but repeatedly made actual threats to destabilize the nation in question and is actively threatening with war, not for the people but to fill its own pockets and demonstrate its power.
Precisely!
Hey man, a broken clock is right twice a day.
More like once a week, but yes.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved. Imagine being against the Haitian revolution because you think its just some psyop by the Americans to harm the French
edit: To clarify I don’t know if the Haitians NEEDED the US, but the US did help
Honestly, I think that’s true for most of them.
Its funny since lots of revolutions only really succeeded due to another state actor involved.
Everyone give it up for America’s favorite fighting Frenchman!
Immigrants get the job done. As an aside though Lafayette was kind of badass.
I’m not sure what youre looking for here, validation? Fanfare? Anger?
Good for them. They died fighting for what they believed in and history will remember them kindly. Should we all be so lucky.
Good for them to be murdered by their government for protesting against it? “Lucky”???
Good for them for fighting, you wet towel.
Yeah it’s hard for me to do anything from my couch in Nova Scotia.
The “Everything America supports” is bad virus, many such cases. I think Foucoult wrote a bunch of papers in support of the Iran regime when they got rid of the Western backed government (Not to say I support that government). Did not age well…
Because its a Mossad/CIA operation and part of a campaign of a several decade long regime change attempt by israel.
PS: trump is Netanyahu’s bitch
Yeah man, it’s all the Mossad, actual Iranians are totally happy and totally support their very friendly government. They are totally not writing songs about how they are going to tear government officials limb from limb.
Not saying they are totally happy. But this is because of 20+ years of economic and financial sanctions by Europe and the USA for the crime of supporting Palestine.
Sanctions have become even more extreme after Trump pulled out of JCPOA in 2018 and applied 'maximum pressure" sanctions package.
I am impressed with how Iranians have protested en mass. It puts western so called democracies to Shame. But you have to be real that Israel doesn’t care about democracy. It wants.Iran to be broken up unto a dozen statelets that it can bomb at will like Syria.
This is scheming by the US Empire.
No shit Sherlock, every revolution in history has been supported by a regime’s enemies. The French supported the Americans, the Germans smuggled Lenin into Russia, Soviets supported Mao, etc etc.
Braindead way to handwave away rape, murder, and maiming as state policy to terrorize and suppress their population.
Almost as if the lemmites “communist, socialist, anarchist” population are fascist authoritarians hiding behind a mask, posing for online clout.
There’s not really a lot of actual socialists here. Tankies and accelerationists far as the eye can see, but surprisingly few socialists.
Plenty of real socialists. Just filter grad, ml, and Hexbear, and the ratio much improves.
I thought the contingency here of leftists and liberals was pretty high?
Leftists yeah, liberals it depends on the instance. The difference between those terms means a lot more here than on reddit. Plenty would argue successfully that liberals aren’t left at all but then we’re getting into anti capitalist theory which isn’t very practical in a capitalist society. But most lemmy communists seem to be of the Soviet and Chinese variety, so you know, not really communist at all but definitely anti capitalist authoritarian.
So when are you flying to iran and joining the protests?
I’ll take things that never happened for 10 bucks.
In this very fucking thread.
Tankies are gonna tankie, that’s nothing new. There are plenty of leftists siding with the Iranian revolutionaries on Lemmy, so what the OP says (that leftists in general are silent on Iran) is false. Unless they’re specifically talking about tankies, but nowhere do I see them making that distinction.
