And all the other fascist countries that don’t fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.
Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.
I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.
Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.
We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don’t agree but then when called on it don’t do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn’t just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It’s absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that’s more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there’s blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don’t put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.
Well said about tariffs. Von der Leyen should just use her “trade bazooka.” letting him set the rules of the game is exactly how he used the media to gain power in the first place: by breaking “norms” they went all Surprised Pikachu and couldn’t stop covering him and look where that got us.
Oh, I’m sorry, I must have missed where Orban blew up innocent people on international water and then straight up kidnapped a president? Or where he openly and publicly threatened to invade and overtake another EU country’s territory? Or when he organized a secret police that is killing the citizens in broad daylight?
Not defending piece of shit Orban, but comparing Trump to him is ridiculous and a cope on your part.
I wasn’t trying to equate the degree of their misdeeds. I was trying to illustrate that political change takes time and a lot of willpower and was pointing to recent examples of other long-term efforts.
If you do want to play that game, which is kind of pointless, let me ask about when Europeans are going stop just letting migrants drown in the Mediterranean?
But I don’t blame all Europeans. I don’t blame all the French, Italians, Maltese, and Greeks. That’s counterproductive and not how we fix these problems. I know there’s a lot of people in those countries trying hard to help save the lives of migrants. Shouting “cope” at people isn’t going to accomplish anything.
What are you even on about. What is anyone supposed to do about people choosing to cross a sea in a pontoon…? It’s not like we’re drone-striking them on those boats - that’s you guys.
You’re right, just like the incessant comparisons between ICE and the Gestapo conveniently gloss over ICE’s much closer resemblance to slave catcher patrols. They refuse to admit this is a very, very old and well-established movement in their country. The problem is that they never decisively put down the Confederacy.
And all the other fascist countries that don’t fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.
Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.
I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.
Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.
We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don’t agree but then when called on it don’t do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn’t just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It’s absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that’s more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there’s blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don’t put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.
Well said about tariffs. Von der Leyen should just use her “trade bazooka.” letting him set the rules of the game is exactly how he used the media to gain power in the first place: by breaking “norms” they went all Surprised Pikachu and couldn’t stop covering him and look where that got us.
Oh, I’m sorry, I must have missed where Orban blew up innocent people on international water and then straight up kidnapped a president? Or where he openly and publicly threatened to invade and overtake another EU country’s territory? Or when he organized a secret police that is killing the citizens in broad daylight?
Not defending piece of shit Orban, but comparing Trump to him is ridiculous and a cope on your part.
I wasn’t trying to equate the degree of their misdeeds. I was trying to illustrate that political change takes time and a lot of willpower and was pointing to recent examples of other long-term efforts.
If you do want to play that game, which is kind of pointless, let me ask about when Europeans are going stop just letting migrants drown in the Mediterranean?
But I don’t blame all Europeans. I don’t blame all the French, Italians, Maltese, and Greeks. That’s counterproductive and not how we fix these problems. I know there’s a lot of people in those countries trying hard to help save the lives of migrants. Shouting “cope” at people isn’t going to accomplish anything.
What are you even on about. What is anyone supposed to do about people choosing to cross a sea in a pontoon…? It’s not like we’re drone-striking them on those boats - that’s you guys.
You aren’t new to this, hitler got most of his ideas from americans.
You’re right, just like the incessant comparisons between ICE and the Gestapo conveniently gloss over ICE’s much closer resemblance to slave catcher patrols. They refuse to admit this is a very, very old and well-established movement in their country. The problem is that they never decisively put down the Confederacy.
Yeah, but now it’s affecting white people!