Because they irrationally(parents, go figure) expect you to be able to learn by yourself and then they see that you know nothing about the most basic tools/technologies.
I remember my dad teaching me how to start the lawnmower when I was like 8 and then being furious when I had trouble starting it or not knowing what words were or what priming it did n shit. I was fucking eight you dumb fat fuck.
I was sarcastic, actually:) I too expect people to be able to learn basic things on their own. Being able to apply basic school data to real world problems. Read books, look behind someone’s shoulder, discuss maintenance things with friends, etc…
“Learn on your own” -> proceeds to list things that all rely on other people.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that the willfully ignorant can get under your skin and I do believe that “self-taught” is a thing (and a valid source of pride) but only as opposed to formal education/apprenticeship.
At the end of the day, the only thing we can really do all on our own is to die alone, cold and hungry. Anything else requires help from others, indirect or direct.
logic OR, sure, at least on the basic truth-table kind of way. I think I have an idea of what you are implying but I might be too thick to properly understand. Care to expand? ;)
Yes, and no I did not expect further details. You seem to have been much more successful than I was at getting your point across.
I suppose I did not explicitly state what actually triggered my response, nor, in hindsight, actually specifically discussed it, my bad, sorry for that.
What did, was you stating you expected self-learning of others, which seems unfair. I suppose we all, or nearly all, do have some amount of capability for that. Yet, some people are more empowered to do so than others, and this, is either due to external circumstances (which seems unfair to expect that people at large have been subject to the same), or either to higher capability (which seems unfair to expect everyone to have higher capability because then it would just be average right?).
Furthermore, some specific things come easier to others. It’s not because you were interested in the lawn-mower and watched attentively your dad start it, that another kid will not rather be interested in the plants or the butterflies in the garden and remain rather impervious to his dad’s lawn-mower. For you it might have been easy as pie, but another kid might still need actual explanations, not because he’s stupid (although he might be), or less curious (he was interested in the butterflies) or distracted (he was concentrated on something else) or whatever else, but just because he’s wired differently (he did not find the lawn-mower interesting).
Further food for thought : Some kids are not taught that books are a worthwhile thing. Some kids have worse education than others and get very little out of school, sometimes due to their fault, but sometimes not really - teachers and classmates play a huge role. Some kids don’t really have someone doing interesting things that lets them watch, or maybe their parents stuck them in front of the TV all the time. Some people don’t have technically-minded friends with which to discuss maintenance things. Some people never had enough positive reinforcement to gain the confidence needed to say : hey, I don’t know how to do this but I can surely figure it out myself.
All in all, there’s so many external factors, that one’s ability to learn on his own is ultimately highly dependent on the other people around him. (The point of my initial reply)
Because they irrationally(parents, go figure) expect you to be able to learn by yourself and then they see that you know nothing about the most basic tools/technologies.
I remember my dad teaching me how to start the lawnmower when I was like 8 and then being furious when I had trouble starting it or not knowing what words were or what priming it did n shit. I was fucking eight you dumb fat fuck.
I was sarcastic, actually:) I too expect people to be able to learn basic things on their own. Being able to apply basic school data to real world problems. Read books, look behind someone’s shoulder, discuss maintenance things with friends, etc…
I wasnt calling you a dumb fat fuck, to be clear. I was referring to my father.
Yes, I have understood that.
“Learn on your own” -> proceeds to list things that all rely on other people.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that the willfully ignorant can get under your skin and I do believe that “self-taught” is a thing (and a valid source of pride) but only as opposed to formal education/apprenticeship.
At the end of the day, the only thing we can really do all on our own is to die alone, cold and hungry. Anything else requires help from others, indirect or direct.
Do you understand the concept of logical OR? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_disjunction
logic OR, sure, at least on the basic truth-table kind of way. I think I have an idea of what you are implying but I might be too thick to properly understand. Care to expand? ;)
Next sentence was a continuation of the thought and list of different knowledge sources. And you, apparently, expected detalization.
Yes, and no I did not expect further details. You seem to have been much more successful than I was at getting your point across.
I suppose I did not explicitly state what actually triggered my response, nor, in hindsight, actually specifically discussed it, my bad, sorry for that.
What did, was you stating you expected self-learning of others, which seems unfair. I suppose we all, or nearly all, do have some amount of capability for that. Yet, some people are more empowered to do so than others, and this, is either due to external circumstances (which seems unfair to expect that people at large have been subject to the same), or either to higher capability (which seems unfair to expect everyone to have higher capability because then it would just be average right?).
Furthermore, some specific things come easier to others. It’s not because you were interested in the lawn-mower and watched attentively your dad start it, that another kid will not rather be interested in the plants or the butterflies in the garden and remain rather impervious to his dad’s lawn-mower. For you it might have been easy as pie, but another kid might still need actual explanations, not because he’s stupid (although he might be), or less curious (he was interested in the butterflies) or distracted (he was concentrated on something else) or whatever else, but just because he’s wired differently (he did not find the lawn-mower interesting).
Further food for thought : Some kids are not taught that books are a worthwhile thing. Some kids have worse education than others and get very little out of school, sometimes due to their fault, but sometimes not really - teachers and classmates play a huge role. Some kids don’t really have someone doing interesting things that lets them watch, or maybe their parents stuck them in front of the TV all the time. Some people don’t have technically-minded friends with which to discuss maintenance things. Some people never had enough positive reinforcement to gain the confidence needed to say : hey, I don’t know how to do this but I can surely figure it out myself.
All in all, there’s so many external factors, that one’s ability to learn on his own is ultimately highly dependent on the other people around him. (The point of my initial reply)