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from #972Magazine [published in Israel]
By Ahmed Moor
December 17, 2024
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I’m old enough to remember Bill playing the sax on TRL.
For some reason neoliberals think what got Bill elected was the policy. But his policy wasn’t really a big deal, it was that he actually reached out to the youth, that’s what got him the first election, and the dotcom boom the second.
Hillary tried to run on neoliberal policy, and lost to a charismatic candidate who reached out to the youth, almost a perfect copy of everything that made Bill popular.
But unfortunately Obama ignored the DNC instead of rehabilitating it. So when he was gone, Hillary literally took over the DNC and only released the grip for a few months when Donna Brazile was able to see the books.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
But nothing changed. Hillary’s “Victory Fund” became Biden’s which became Kamala’s, all with the same people running it.
We can’t keep ignoring that a minority of people way more conservative than the dem voting base have captured the party. On 2/2/25 we’ll see if they finally come to their senses, the state chair out of Wisconsin is my pick, but the DNC is still stacked with neoliberals who all want to pretend it’s the 90s again.
But whatever happens, it’s been going on a lot longer than the genocide protests.
They know what they should do. Their problem is that it conflicts with what they’re paid to do.
Don’t worry - the republiQans won, just like you wanted.
Harris losing had nothing to do with what a lemmy user wanted, and your trying to pin it on everyone but the people running is pathetic.
Did the people running not get out and vote against this horror?
No. It was the assholes who couldn’t bear to let Democrats be less than pure for ten seconds so that we can get time to fix shit. Great job. As everyone and their dog tried to explain to them at every turn, now we’re all fucked. We all look forward to 3.5 years from now when we get to do the whole fucking thing over again and introduce even worse ridiculous idiocy into government, presuming they haven’t just openly rigged everything by then, which is a bit of a pipe dream. But they’ll never be mean to Bernie again! So - win?
Dont blame me, I voted for giant meteor.
Either way, the billionaires would have won.
Blackrock HQ had admitted that nothing significant will change. Go back to watching your propaganda that Democrats are so pro working class or whatever.
Campus protests for Palestine didn’t hurt Dems at all. Like, at all. That’s why they didn’t care about it. Most of the noise came from non-voters to begin with. You saw a hundred of them even on Lemmy that pikachu-faced when Trump won. All of the ones I followed that brought up Palestine and “we still can’t vote for genocide”…all up and disappeared as soon as election was over. Accounts deleted, posts went completely quiet…just gone.
People are too worried about their own local cares at home, and you can’t really blame them for it. Israel/Palestine thing is far enough away from affecting us that 99% of people don’t give 2 shits.
It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a net +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. Not enough to win the general election majority, but certainly enough to win swing states. That was the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election with the electoral college. Winning the popular vote would have needed more progressive policies that address and resolve the material needs of the general public.
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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.
- Split Ticket (July 2024)
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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.
- New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)
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- Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)
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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.
Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.
700k high propensity Democratic voters showed up during the primaries. (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate that were completely up for grabs with a single popular policy change. One of the many failures of the Democratic Campaign.
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You’d like to pretend that @kitnaut, but the lack of youth vote proves that its your sad wet dream. Genocide support cost the dems the election and inflicted trump on all of us.
