• NewDark@lemmy.today
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    7 days ago

    No state has a right to exist.

    Does the confederacy have a right to exist?

    Does Rhodesia have a right to exist?

    Does Nazi Germany have a right to exist?

    States are imaginary land borders we make up for governments and those don’t have rights.

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      6 days ago

      I know where you are coming from. No borders no nations blah. But what you then get is eternal fighting and suffering. We have to accept the borders how they are to find peace. This is from i think kenia’s diplomat’s speech on russias invasion of ukraine. He argues, when Africa can accept borders drawn by foreign conquerors through towns and famillies then then you can too.

      Not accepting either israels or palestines rights is the cause of all the suffering.

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        Okay, fine, I accept the 1967 borders of Israel. Oh, is that not enough? Why not? Why didn’t they respect the borders that existed?

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        If you think an apartheid colonial ethnostate can respect the rights of the people it is subjugating and stealing from, you are lost.

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          Every state was conquered at some point for whatever reason. If you go back far enough we should give the USA back to natives. But where do we put like 100++ m displaced people now? The argument of keeping borders actually supports weaker players.

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            Israel is as old as 1948, it’s not that far back, and continues to steal more of Palestine since.

            I see you’re just a might makes right fascist. Got it. Follow your leader buddy.

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              1944 is not that far back on this time scale too. You wanna reroll to this? Actual fascists would be happy.