I would tell you but I know how this conversation will probably end: you’re going to tell me I met the wrong people and I have no idea what really went on in the Soviet Union, and I should learn the real history of the USSR and whatever nonsense flies in the face of decades of evidence and Occam’s razor here on Lemmy. So no, sorry, I’m not going with the sealioning.
You plugging your ears and yapping is not the own you think it is. You clearly know nothing of the Soviet Union nor of the Gulags, and instead of actually engaging in good faith you just dismiss everyone as evil tankies.
Either provide proof of your claims or have the humility of listening to those that clearly know better than you.
To dismiss all the advancements in the USSR and to equate them to the Nazis is beyond baffling, it’s disgusting, it’s ahistorical, and spits in the face of the people that actually defeated Nazism.
If I’m trying to make a point, I try to substantiate it with evidence, not just generalizing about how I imagine the conversation is going to go. I’ve never talked with anyone from the USSR, but have known some from Cuba (as well as researchers who’ve worked there for an interval). There’s some variety in the perspectives, some are more negative, but there’s a clear throughline: even where the state takes a repressive position, these socialist countries are miles ahead of their comparable Western counterparts in all areas of social development. There’s a reason that after the fall of the USSR, there was a marked decrease in women’s rights, acceptance of queer people, and the safety of ethnic or racial minorities in the region. We can talk about the USSR’s shortcomings at serving these groups’ needs, but the myth of the USSR as a monolithic, socially conservative “redfash” state is laughable. It is simply untrue and any conversation with people who resided in the USSR or any socialist state, or just picking up a book by someone who isn’t sponsored by the Victims of Communism organization, should show that these minorities have benefitted from the proactive socialist state’s initiatives for their benefit much more than they’ve been held back by certain missteps (to be clear, there have been missteps).
Ooh, tell me about that. How did you meet?
I would tell you but I know how this conversation will probably end: you’re going to tell me I met the wrong people and I have no idea what really went on in the Soviet Union, and I should learn the real history of the USSR and whatever nonsense flies in the face of decades of evidence and Occam’s razor here on Lemmy. So no, sorry, I’m not going with the sealioning.
I think I’ll use Occam’s Razor myself - you’re probably just lying.
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You plugging your ears and yapping is not the own you think it is. You clearly know nothing of the Soviet Union nor of the Gulags, and instead of actually engaging in good faith you just dismiss everyone as evil tankies.
Either provide proof of your claims or have the humility of listening to those that clearly know better than you.
To dismiss all the advancements in the USSR and to equate them to the Nazis is beyond baffling, it’s disgusting, it’s ahistorical, and spits in the face of the people that actually defeated Nazism.
If I’m trying to make a point, I try to substantiate it with evidence, not just generalizing about how I imagine the conversation is going to go. I’ve never talked with anyone from the USSR, but have known some from Cuba (as well as researchers who’ve worked there for an interval). There’s some variety in the perspectives, some are more negative, but there’s a clear throughline: even where the state takes a repressive position, these socialist countries are miles ahead of their comparable Western counterparts in all areas of social development. There’s a reason that after the fall of the USSR, there was a marked decrease in women’s rights, acceptance of queer people, and the safety of ethnic or racial minorities in the region. We can talk about the USSR’s shortcomings at serving these groups’ needs, but the myth of the USSR as a monolithic, socially conservative “redfash” state is laughable. It is simply untrue and any conversation with people who resided in the USSR or any socialist state, or just picking up a book by someone who isn’t sponsored by the Victims of Communism organization, should show that these minorities have benefitted from the proactive socialist state’s initiatives for their benefit much more than they’ve been held back by certain missteps (to be clear, there have been missteps).