That’s kind of a difficult thing to determine, when asked almost no one says they are, but if asked about policies, they tend to go for more progressive policies, even people that identify as conservatives will agree with more progressive policies. The people they vote for however, are definitely not progressive… Mostly, there are a few.

Then again, progressive in America is pretty much basic human rights and protecting vulnerable people which should be the minimum.

I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.

So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.

Companies will use them before they are perfect.