What? 13 years ago is still years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence#:~:text=False equivalence is a common,or ignorance of additional factors

False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence does not bear scrutiny because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors.

False equivalence arguments are often used in journalism[9][10] and in politics, where flaws of one politician may be compared to flaws of a wholly different nature of another.

Abuse of power (SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND ASSAULT) and cheating is what Clinton did. That’s different than simple cheating. Like my very first comment thoroughly explains this. If you are a man still arguing against me for this false equivalence, I’m going to assume you don’t care about rape and sexual assault. There’s a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE to the VICTIM if the act was CONSENSUAL or not. Hope this helps!

It’s definitely not dense at all to try to gaslight a woman into believing that sexual assault is the same as a consensual relationship just because they both involved cheating…

Yes, there is proof that in 2016, Russian agents did that. I haven’t disputed that.

The reason I dispute the application of this knowledge to me is that its wrong. Like I’m a literal US voter with an Only Fans that connects to my US issued ID. It’s pretty clear I’m not Russian. And given how antitrump and for democracy I am, I’m not on the Trump pay roll either.

They didn’t create this discourse. The democrats DID IT. Like Clinton literally rode on Epstein’s plane. That’s his fault. They literally had a conflict of interest with their donations to the DNC and running as candidates. That’s genuine issues they did. Criticizing that, engaging in the definition of critical thinking, is part of the democratic process so we can stop it from happening again. That Republicans brought up the factual things the DNC did as issues is just normal campaigning. Abnormal campaigns were the disinformation the Russian bots put forward which later directly resulted in American deaths when it came to COVID.

Do you like, talk to real people irl about politics? Most people irl aren’t diehard DNC or RNC bootlickers. Most people are somewhere in between. That you refuse to tolerate other political opinions besides DNC bootlicking shows how “informed” you are alone.

Do it, bitch

Eta: you can dish it but you can’t take it? Honestly collectively the dick size on lemmy must be a micrometer

But it wasn’t just an affair. It was an abuse of power. Afaik Newt wasn’t having an affair with a staffer. So it’s a false equivalence, you acorn.

while impeaching Bill Clinton for having an affair,

Okay can we stop with the whole “Clinton was impeached for an affair.”

See how this is the comment I took issue with and that’s what I started my comment with? Calling it an affair negates the abuse of power involved. As I explained ad nauseum. Just because you’re a man who doesn’t like respecting women, doesn’t mean I’ve been extremely clear.

It’s not reasonable, it’s just an easy talking point you go to when you get upset. Like it’s pretty thought terminating, right? And do you ask every commenter if they are a Russian spy, or are you not asking because you disagree with what I said? You claim I’m “interfering in elections,” - how? How am I, as a voter who is exercising her right to free speech to criticize the government, doing anything that would interfere in an election? Please elaborate how that’s not a baseless accusation.

Also, don’t you see how it’s a stretch to say that “Russian spies interfered in elections,” and then jump to claiming I’m somehow interfering in an election and ALSO then a Russian spy? Many other countries interfere in elections. What’s your evidence I’m Russian specifically and not, say, Chinese? Yet again showing this is based on reactionary rhetoric and not anything in reality or with evidence.

Also PS - I voted for Kamala. Criticizing Clinton is not the same as saying we shouldn’t vote for Kamala. Stop sucking Dem boots

OK that’s just like, your opinion, man

I was just scrolling on Steam one day and saw it. Loved the music and the aesthetic and when it went on sale (back when the Steam sales were mindblowing and Newegg was also mindblowing), I got it. Love it so much but these days I use TEdit/a map editor to make pretty designs on my worlds. I have a lava swamp in hell, a drag stage/nightclub in hell, several glittering giant forests (snow, fairy, and halloween), an erupting volcano, an amusement park off a pier, lots of planets in space, and my mushroom surface biome is starry night themed.

Meanwhile my brother in law plays huge pvp campaigns with his friends on maps they mod together, and I had a friend who made those puzzle haunted house type maps. You can do so much in that game it’s wild.

The following day, the Democratic Party in Palm Beach filed suit to contest the vote count due to mistakes using the “butterfly” ballot. They argued that the structure of the butterfly ballot had caused many voters to mistakenly punch out the hole for Buchanan when they meant to vote for Gore. These, plus the ballots not read by the machines because the holes were not completely punched out, they claimed, created a significant “under vote.” They pointed to thousands of ballots having two holes punched out (often for Buchanan and Gore) and many more with holes only partially punched, held on by one corner—quickly labeled the “hanging chad.” They wanted those doing the manual recount to examine each ballot to determine the intention of the voter and to count the hanging chads. Later they successfully argued that other chads, including those only showing signs of being pushed—the “dimpled” and “pregnant” chads—also should be counted. Florida’s votes now appeared to depend on manual recounts and the nature of the chads. Counting chads was complicated and controversial, but it was nothing compared to the legal battles about to break.

The celebration lasted a day as the US Supreme Court issued a 7-to-2 decision in Bush v. Gore ordering a halt to all Florida recounts and calling for arguments to reconsider the Florida court’s decisions. The oral arguments showed that the Court was divided along ideological lines. Bush’s lawyers argued that the method of the recount was “arbitrary,” did “irreparable harm” to his candidacy, and violated the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Further, the Florida court’s decision violated Article 2 of the Constitution, which states that electors must be selected by a method chosen by the legislature. Gore’s lawyers responded that the recount did not injure Bush and it was best to let the people decide by counting all their votes. Most observers noted that the arguments had little chance of changing the views of the members of the Court. On December 12, the Supreme Court announced its controversial 5-to-4 decision that effectively ended all attempts to recount Florida votes and allowed Harris to ignore the already submitted recounted ballots. The decision determined that the vote certified by Harris previously (537) was correct and, above all, final. Gore conceded defeat on December 13, and five days later, George W. Bush was officially elected forty-third president of the United States as the electors cast their ballots: Bush received 271 electoral votes, one more than needed; Gore received 266.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/essays/hanging-chad-or-not-2000-presidential-election

Are you able to have reasoned discussion or are you only able to parrot reactionary speech when you get tilted?

Yeah, it’s kinda like we didn’t fall out of a coconut tree, and everything exists in context. It’s kinda like these past incidents inspired modern day people to abuse these loopholes. And btw, Gore losing the election killed 8 billion people due to climate change, so it was significantly worse that what Trump did in terms of impact.

It remains that the problem with the Monica Lewinsky relationship is that Clinton had power over her, not that he simply cheated. It added validity to the other sexual harassment claims because it was also a clear case of sexual harassment.

I was quoting the other person about what specifically caused his impeachment. Regardless of the exact moment that caused it, the issue with Lewinsky remains as I’ve explained it: an abuse of power. It’s not that he “got impeached for a blowjob” or for cheating and when people phrase it like that, they are dismissing and ignoring the real concerns regarding abuse of power.

And yet it made a little detour to excuse Bill Clinton anyway

Okay can we stop with the whole “Clinton was impeached for an affair.” It was because it was with a staffer he has power over. It was extremely inappropriate. We shouldn’t be cool with men in powerful positions abusing those positions to fuck people they have power over. Monica Lewinsky was literally half Clinton’s age (22 and 49) and was horrifically abused by all of society AND CLINTON and HIS WIFE.

Like seriously if this was the president of a bank fucking some teller, who he is in charge of paying and promoting, no one would be confused why that banker should step down for abuse of power. The dude was president of the ENTIRE COUNTRY, and you can’t see how that’s abuse of power?

Like fuck Newt but also fuck Clinton who was buddies with Epstein. And him leaving his wife who had cancer is EGREGIOUS.

Eta: Lemmy is full of rapist apologists I guess. If you can’t understand how consent is VITAL and how it makes a world of difference, I hope you live a life being treated exactly how you treat others and women. There’s a man out there who will treat you, as a man, the same way. Good luck.

Women having independent thoughts 🤢🤮 ^/s

And yet in terms of lives lost, the 2000 election going to Bush killed pretty much 8 billion people plus most megafauna. Climate change had the last laugh after all.

Throwing out ballots because of hanging chads is ABSOLUTELY an issue with election integrity. How much integrity can an election have if votes are thrown out arbitrarily so an unpopular candidate wins???

And that election would’ve changed things today. People drowning in Japan, Spain, North Carolina to these crazy floods. AMOC collapse has begun. We are so fucked and that was like, our chance. And Republicans and oil suckers decided to kill us all and Noah’s Ark us… in the 70s. When they were told this would happen.

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IDs can be full of stupid bureaucracy to get. Eg if you are homeless, how will you get 2 pieces of mail with a home address? And in some places, IDs cost $50 or more. IDs are not the only way to identify someone - if you forget your ID before flying, there are alternative ways to identify you. The DMV has long wait times and IDs are often mailed to people, the delay could impact voting if done shortly before election day. And disabled people may not be able to wait in line at the DMV. The DMV has limited hours as well.

It’s more important to protect someone’s right to vote than to enforce an arbitrary ID rule.