Same people who made Obama phone jokes are eager to sign up to be ripped off by Trump mobile.

Somebody doth protest too much.

Do you find this weak troll act fulfilling and useful? Good use of your time? Healthy outlet for your emotional issues?

So you are just actively advocating for a worse-than-useless solution that only helps ensure the least favorable party gets more votes while arrogantly pretending you know better than the people who have to live with the results. Got it.

That’s not a denial…

The obvious answer, voting 3rd party doesn’t register with you people.

So you admit you don’t understand first past the post voting systems.

Yes, that’s a subjective perspective on the matter. And…?

I also keep seeing this:

“The progressive congresswoman deserves the heat she’s getting for her vote against a bill that would’ve held back aid to Jerusalem”

People keep calling the amendment a bill, which it is not. Even the PhD author of that article is misconstruing the vote in question despite correctly identifying it as an amendment elsewhere.

AOC voted against the bill that funded Israel. Full stop. Saying otherwise is counterfactual, i.e a lie. Full stop.

You can quibble over the repercussions of the amendment vote. I wouldn’t have voted for or against it personally. But saying she voted for funding Israel is not correct. Saying she funds genocide is not only incorrect but would be defamation if she weren’t a public figure.

But I will ask again, what is the value of attacking AOC on this point? Will it drive voters further to the left? Will it win primaries for progressive candidates? Will it in any way affect the funding of genocide in Gaza? What is the value of this fight? If it’s just feeling self-righteous but doesn’t have any useful results, why pursue it so fiercely? The only people this fight benefits are those who want someone farther right than AOC in office.

That’s what ranked choice voting can get you.

Except if you know the amendment will fail and you know the amendment is a stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist, you can’t be expected to take it seriously.

But again, what’s the endgame for this criticism? She resigns and someone more centrist or corporate or right leaning takes her place? She feels bad and remembers next time to virtue signal meaningless gestures instead of attempting to achieve plausible goals?

So you acknowledge it didn’t have a chance of passing and was thus of completely null value, except as far as you get to use it to attack someone for not virtue signalling your preferred message. And it’s really super important to drag her because doing so will magically help more leftists come to power in the US and topple the authoritarian regime…? What’s your end game on this strategy? You’ll die on a useless hill from a MAGA boot on your face and your last satisfied utterance will be, “at least we told AOC off that one time,” is that it? Do you think this witch hunt will have any useful results?

AOC still voted against blocking military aid to Israel.

No, she didn’t. Any number times zero is zero. She could have voted for an amendment to kick puppies and then voted against the bill and thus ultimately voted against kicking puppies. You don’t seem to understand how bills and amendments work.

What result do you want to happen here?

Do the same give me her voting history of when she opposed funding this genocide.

Literally the bill in question. If you aren’t familiar with the bill the amendment was for, you don’t know what we’re discussing.

and your reply to me was basically plugging your ears shouting “LALALA I Cannot Hear Cannot See…”

No, my reply is that you’re spewing racist conspiracy theories.

kenyian secret-muslim immigrant

Again with the racism and conspiracy theories. You’re not even trying to hide it. You clearly have no moral grounds to criticize other people.

At issue here is the first vote only.

The first vote was meaningless. It was a political stunt amendment by a racist conspiracy theorist. And a single vote for or against the amendment has no chance of affecting whether Israel got funds for more genocide.

This yearly military budget bill always gets passed, without exception, which AOC knows. She knew that, in the end, the bill would get passed despite her nay vote.

It’s really weird that you’re able to see this inevitability, yet you’re not able to also see the inevitable failure of the amendment MTG put forth. This is exactly why all this foaming at the mouth over a doomed amendment vote is so misdirected! It had no practical, functional, or realistic bearing on anything in reality other than for MTG to tell her conspiracy theorist followers that she opposes Jewish people getting more space lasers or however she wants to spin it.

That being the case, why did she vote against removing military aid to Israel?

She explained her reasoning. Why are you asking what she intended when she already explained why? I don’t agree with the reasoning, but it was still a meaningless act.

You’re complaining she put expired ingredients in a meal that she threw out and never served anyone. Meanwhile Trump is dodging Epstein list revelations, ICE is brutalizing and human trafficking (and genociding) immigrants, but at least we have someone to attack and feel morally superior to who literally didn’t fund Israel as was falsely claimed.

I think the claim that she funded or supports funding genocide by Israel is contradicted by the very public and verifiable voting record on the funding bill that continued funding Israel to which she voted nay. The entire premise of the attack is that she did something she didn’t actually do.

Please read my comment until the end because I am addressing every thing you said.

Not coherently or relevantly. “Please read all the nonsense.”

Wrong. Watch this video and check the list of people who voted against it:

I’m not clicking any link you provide. I don’t trust you. And I’m not clicking on X links because you have to sign in to see full content and I don’t support fascists like Musk.

You can check the voting history of the bill (not the amendment). She voted against the bill. If you assert otherwise, you’re admitting you’re incapable of searching the Internet for the vote and therefore aren’t worth discussing the topic with.

She owns her political career to Israeli government businessmen with strong ties to AIPAC. She and her family are also Jewish.

This is some yarn on the corkboard conspiracy theorism with a sprinkling of racism thrown in. You’re ignoring a lot of nuance and context. Religiously, she’s Catholic. Genetically, she’s only partially Jewish and primarily Latino/Puerto Rican. I might have German heritage but you’d be remiss to accuse me of siding with Trump because he also has German heritage. Shared DNA isn’t a smoking gun.

I’m going to skip the rest of this so you can wipe the froth from your lips and reread what you wrote. It’ll help if you take the Klan hood off first.

Barack Hussain Obama

Obama didn’t do enough of what I wanted and wasn’t a leftist, but the only people who I ever see use his middle name are conservatives dog whistling their racism.

How dumb are Americans to still fall for the same fucking trick

You seem really confused. There is no functionally left American option and there hasn’t been throughout the time you’re referencing. AOC is left leaning at most and not enough for my preferences. Obama and Biden were centrists and corporate Democrats. But you vote for the least worst option because otherwise you get 2016 and 2024 results and then you get genocide of undocumented immigrants here in the US.

You’re missing the point though. Vilifying AOC and lying about something she didn’t do (she literally, factually, actually, provably voted against the bill to fund Israel) isn’t going to do anything useful to push the US further left. Why are you functionally giving ammunition to conservatives to continue to remain in power and push further right? Are you an accelerationist or just don’t understand how politics works?

Also, when you ask how dumb Americans, are you not including yourself? If you’re not an American, it means you can’t vote or legally influence an election in a meaningful way, so you’re just wasting your time and mine. I hope it made you feel good. Happy to provide you with the chance for hollow senses of accomplishment and pride.

Yes, I’m aware what they were quoting. It doesn’t hold any meaning. It was a non sequitur.

Glad to see 4chan levels of maturity have spread to Lemmy.

And if I have a job already? And if putting effort into a job isn’t mutually exclusive with commenting in an online forum, what then? I’m really interested in getting life advice from randos on the internet. Please help me. You’re my only hope.

Note that I said I wouldn’t fund the iron dome. I don’t think Israel should receive any funding from the US. But apparently nuance isn’t in vogue right now.

Keep stuffing that straw man.

Because AOC gave them half a $billion to keep doing so.

First, AOC voted against the bill. She voted against giving them any funding.

Second, even if she had voted in favor of the bill, she’s not the only member of Congress, so dumping sole blame on her wouldn’t even make sense if the false claims were true.

But yes, let’s eat our own over a political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist (MTG). Those primaries won’t lose themselves!

Oh no, a conservative boomer-grade insult! Should I get off your lawn too? Pull myself up by my own bootstraps? Invest in plastics?