are you 12? it seems you have no experience or memory of a world before 2012. everything which is currently being controlled by a handful of companies like Meta or Google today existed in huge volumes before these snakes paid their way into global dominance. i.e. there were hundreds of big community websites long before facebook. there were several great search engines before google. there were several streaming sites before youtube. there were tons of chat applications before Messenger/WhatsApp. there were thousands of email services before gmail, hotmail, and yahoo created their “whitelist”, etc etc. Heck, Messenger (and google talk, etc) - all used XMPP originally, but isolated their network when it grew big enough to kill competition and force users onto their platform. we all USED to be able to use whatever client we wanted and still keep in touch with family and friends. we all USED to be able to run our own mail servers. we all USED to…

fuck it. why am I putting effort into this lol.

these techs existed long before web based ad companies. but, ad companies exist, so obviously they will contribute to the technologies they need to continue to exist. to do otherwise would be corporate suicide and it’s a stupid argument to pretend like we wouldn’t be fine without them just because they are putting their fingers in the cake. nothing was wrong with the older browsers; modern browsers are essentially just a war of proprietary rendering to try and kill competition bringing us back to the era of fucking internet explorer; which no one sane would want.

heck, firefox came to exist from netscape, so its basically ancient history at this point, and chromium (blink) is a fork off webkit which in turn is a fork of khtml from KDE (linux) konqueror browser - and as a matter of fact, khtml was discontinued just last year. i don’t see the relevance of ad companies when things have been fine and still are; without them.

but as we continue to abandon the practice of IT and todays kids grow up thinking google created the internet and all they know is how to touch the rainbow icon on their screens, the future is fucked.

there were tons of video streaming sites around before youtube came around. i even ran one at the time.

the internet doesn’t run on ads. we were all fine before the megacorporations came in and started pushing ads down our throats for delivering the exact same services that already existed for free. it just so happens ads are more profitable, and with more profit, you have more ways to achieve exposure, which gives you more profit, ad infinitum.

point is, we’d be fine without ads.

steam on linux was officially launched because gaben said windows trying to build a walled garden can go fuck right off. and he was right on the mark; as microsoft keeps buying big studios and locking down their ecosystem more and more. steam going linux and the steam deck are direct responses to wrangle control out of microsofts hands - and with all rights, considering the debacle of directx when that launched and pushing gaming to make hardware development a priority which in turn made microsoft licenses sell for new computers.

well this sucks. i’m on my 4th LG TV because I can’t stand the quality from other brands; but when the choice is ads vs picture quality, i’ll take the inferior quality every single time. fuck ads.

i seem to remember something similar. and blocking advertisers seems like it should be common law but i guess chrome killing adblockers takes predesence.

yes. they’re “censoring” algorithms designed to create engagement=profit, which are causing massive harm to society. i don’t see anything wrong with it at all. and like you, i’m on the fediverse because there isn’t an algorithm, our exposure is curated by us, not by engagement-bot-5.

.se mirror still up and working. looks like it was just a DMCA on the main domains.

electron slows everything on your computer down (by design). for each individual electron app you’re running concurrently, you’re burning another huge volume of resources and sacrificing performance that normally would have been shared. even well-optimized electron apps can’t do anything to avoid this due to the inherent design of electron. because each runtime of electron has to load all its junk separately from one another. it’s a burden on your hardware that developers just don’t give a shit about because electron makes it easy to push out apps with minimal coding effort and let you ignore native platform support. if they did give a shit they wouldn’t use electron. electron basically makes a flagship computer behave like a 90ies computer due to lazy convenience of the coder. i’d propose that any developer who opts to us electron can’t be trusted because they obviously don’t care (or know) enough to develop real software. almost every electron app is basically a patchwork put together from various github sources and frameworks.

regardless. even if i wanted to use one of the privacy focused applications despite electron, i would have a total of 0 users to chat with, making the chat app useless. people want their modern features and are beyond willing to pay with their privacy. so not only does telegram offer a non-electron native client on all platforms. they also offer all modern features and design elements users have come to expect.

and as said. if i had to pick one chat application i’d prefer over anything else. i’d go with delta chat. since i wouldn’t need to convince anyone to install it and still be able to chat with them. but it’s unlikely the delta chat developer will rewrite it. heck, most of the actual interface is just another lazy copypaste. so, i do me.

both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).

there is only really nheko in development among the non-electron alternatives and it’s unstable. can’t convince people to use software that only works half the time.

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agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.

personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.

mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.

all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.

i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).

oh sure. ban the ONLY modern chat client not running on electron.

get fucked, spain!

fairphone is doing pretty well. their new one is quite competitive spec-wise too.

an online store could operate from places where such laws don’t apply. most people nowadays mainly do their shopping online anyway and physical stores have largely disappeared unless it doubles as a warehouse. i guess australia and NZ has the advantage of stringent import laws though.

but i suppose this goes for my earlier argument as well.

we have phones that don’t break easily and we can repair them and replace the battery; with long-term support.

what we need are laws that makes it mandatory for all.

no surprise really, Safari on mobile has been broken for months now. The back button crashes the tab you’re using so you can’t really navigate the web.

even if Firefox etc uses webkit on iOS, at least the back button works.