• Coldcell@sh.itjust.works
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    I hope I see an America that does gain enough awareness to mobilize and dismantle the systemic oppression you’re talking about. I, personally, would have voted in the party that doesn’t disappear journalists and critics, burns books and refutes facts, I would have rather taken up arms against a politician I could convince of right and wrong than a unified front devoted to evil, but that’s my heady optimism getting in the way.

    A friend of mine said of the Bush administration that it “had to happen” to show Americans how bad it gets when you let these snakes get power, and no one would vote Republican again after they witnessed the shitshow in action. I think they were optimistic too.

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      24 hours ago

      would have voted in the party that doesn’t disappear journalists and critics, burns books and refutes facts

      The Democrats absolutely do those things, just look at Gaza.

      I would have rather taken up arms against a politician I could convince of right and wrong

      So not the Democrats

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        I don’t know how many times I can restate that the “both sides bad” argument does not make sense to anti-Trump sentiment. Yes the Democrats are shitty, yes they do bad things, but in a choice between that and exactly that but 10x worse I literally cannot wrap my head around this smug superiority of not-ascribing to either side trolling. You do know that undermining Democrats is getting Republicans more power and enacting more of the things you’re against?

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      I think the biggest divide between our POVs is that the DNC definitely does all of the things you accuse them of not doing. We cannot simply talk to the DNC and convince them to do the right thing, they aren’t incompetent but well-meaning, but a different wing of the same brutally oppressive Empire.

      If I am correct in my analysis there, we must do what we can to adapt our strategy and find solutions that work.

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        I can see where you’re coming from, I’ll try to summarise with metaphor and will likely sound asinine but here goes:

        If I’m a hitchhiker and I see a suspicious car pull over and offer me a ride, even in the wrong direction, I’m going to take it over the driver that stops, gets out with a chainsaw and runs towards me screaming “go back to your own country”, where you’re focusing on how this first option is a very bad option. I’m not in disagreement that it’s a bad option. It is most definitely a broken, non-functional option. It is however not the lunatic with a chainsaw, which I take as an incredible positive argument for it.

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          I don’t need a metaphor to understand your point, I’ve heard the argument before. My point is that if we view the historical response to labor organization, both drivers are chainsaw wielding murderers, just one of them puts on a more polite face. The task is the same regardless, it is not any easier if the murderer is more polite about the slaughter if the slaughter is the same.

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            I understand your point, sorry for a belaboured metaphor, it just helps me think.

            Here’s my counterpoint: If both options are the same outcome then what is there? Wait for violent, government-toppling civil war before anything changes? If it is institutionalized oppression, both-sides etc, then I can only assume you don’t see the current administration as any different to the previous one, or any future DNC? If you think Biden was equivalent to Trump in terms of ‘just a nice face on a chainsaw wielding madman’, then you have no change in political stance now that Trump is in power and reshaping the constitution to allow indefinite rule? Both sides bad means it hasn’t become worse since the party change, as it was always going to be this bad no matter who won?

            Follow the logic, I think it sounds grossly myopic.

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              My solution is labor organization and eventually revolution, I’m a Communist. The Working Class should form its own party and build it up, like PSL, rather than rely on bourgeois parties that serve the same interests.

              Trump and Biden/Harris both serve the same ruling class. Nothing really happens without the genuine approval of that class, opposition from the DNC towards the GOP is theatrical in nature and not material. The conditions change with time, but the conditions don’t change as much with parties as they do as broader trends.