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If Jesus came into the US, he would be crucified for being a “poor woke immigrant communist” (read this as: not okay with the exploitation)
% per 100k? This person is making a valid point, but it’s undermined somewhat by the fact they’ve clearly fucked up something.
According to this, per 10,000 people:
- Japan: 0.2
- US: 19.5
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/homelessness-by-country
That’s what I figured they meant.
Yeah, but those other stats are raw numbers. Okay, we have a higher number of unhoused people and food-insecure people, but we also have a higher number of people, period. If you wanna make a point, it has to be per capita. I like how the first stat got this right, but the others did not.
Ya might be a good point but it’s a distracting mess
Thankfully we already know a little bit about both of our situations so we get the gist
US population: ~350M Japan population: ~125M
Not even 3x as much.
You’re not wrong. I’m just saying, if you want to make that point, you should compare per capita.
.2% per year? So we should expect about 10% of people to be murdered by 50?
I was going to say .2% is better than I thought, but that’s pretty dire.
0.2 people, not percentage. That was what they were trying to straighten out because percent per 100k doesn’t make sense.
Eh, the population difference is less than one order of magnitude and the difference in homelessness is two orders of magnitude.
It’s not about that, it’s about “% per 100k” making no sense as a unit. It’s either just %, or an absolute number per 100k. Mixing both together like this makes it seem like you’ve clearly messed something up and don’t quite understand what you’re actually talking about.
Literally 5.7 per 100 per 100,000.
Neither had cake nor ate it
As soon as you get to the “per 100” part you can stop. After that, it doesn’t matter if it’s per 100,000, per 8,759,016, or per 10.
So the fact that they mixed up something so basic makes you question the number entirely. Their point is valid, but undermined by their lack of basic math skills.
I do not trust any stats that come out of Japan in terms of homelessness. If there’s a statistic that’s embarrassing for Japanese society, you know damn well they’re gonna try to cover it up with technicalities.
In Japan, the legal definition for someone who is homeless is: “those who use city parks, riverbanks, roads, train stations and other facilities as their place of stay in order to live their daily lives.”
So that doesn’t include living in your car, living in insecure housing, living in shelters, or living in internet cafés, of which in 2020 there were about 15,000 ‘net café refugees’ in Tokyo alone.
Sooo yeah, Japan can claim to officially have a super low homeless population, because they’ve narrowed the definition so much that you have to literally be sleeping on the street for it to count.
yeah they also fail to acknowledge the suicide rate or the amount of overtime or purchasing power of avg wages.
I’m not making any statements on any countries other than japan. but I’ll add a message to american weebs: STOP FETISHIZING JAPAN
But Japan is so perfect and kakkoi bro, I’ll solve all the problems in my life by moving there and then I’ll become kakkoi bro
I’ve lived in three different major Japanese cities and see fewer people sleeping rough in a year than I can see in an hour in either Europe or the US.
Sleeping Rough != Homeless though. Granted, almost everyone who sleeps rough is homeless, but not every homeless sleeps rough. Japan only counts people sleeping rough as homeless though.
Also there’s the element of being seen sleeping rough. There are plenty of people sleeping rough out there, but they don’t want to be seen that way so they keep to themselves and stay away from the general public, getting across the idea that there aren’t many of them.
They cover it with Hideo Kojima
They also flub their murder rates. It’s considered unclean to handle dead bodies, so autopsies aren’t common and anything that could be ruled a suicide, is.
07%
This is why punctuation is important.
Never mind that, what does “07% per 100K” even mean? As far as I can tell that evaluates to 0.0000007 or 7 per 10 million
The “%” is unnecessary, yeah. I‘m guessing she meant “0.7 homicides per 100K citizens per Annum”
0.07 x 100 000
Assuming it’s .07% and not 7% since the latter wouldn’t make sense with their post, that would make it 70 out of 100,000.
a simple math says: 0.7/100*100 000 = 0.7 * 1 000 = 700 so, 700 on 100k people
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the f*ck are you talking about, it’s simple reduction
I can’t belive there adults that can’t pass second grade mathIf you need I can draw it for you like you do it in kindergarten
0.7% can be written as 0.7/100 or 7/1 000 and you can then do one of following:
(0.7/100)100 000 = 0.7(100 000/100) = 700
or
(7/1 000)100 000 = 7(100 000/1 000) = 700
Not even sure what year this is from cause the murder rate in Japan is .23% per 100,000 as of 2022.Interestingly the United States is at 5.7% per 100,000 as of 2023.
Relevant Wikipedia article:~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate~~
And as of 2022 it looks like the Christian population of Japan has declined to around .96% of the total population.
Edit: That Wikipedia article may have been written by ChatGPT cause the actual total number of homicides in all of Japan in 2022 was 853.
NonWikipedia source:
As the other guy mentioned, 0.23% per 100,000 doesn’t make sense. That’s like saying 0.23 murders per 100 (cent) per 100,000. One of those per Xs is redundant.
The Wikipedia page linked says Japan has a murder rate of 0.233 per 100,000 residents. If this made sense as a percent, it would mean a percentage of 0.000233%. But this statistic wouldnt work as a since a “percentage” implies a fraction of a whole, for example 50% of a population is born male.
The original statistic under discussion says that there are “X number of murder cases per 100,000 people living in country”, rather than “Y% of the country’s population is murder victims”, which wouldn’t make sense anyway since the dead aren’t part of the population; i.e. you wouldn’t see a statistic like “20% of the population is dead” but rather “20% of the population died”, and “90% of the deaths were by murder” rather than “18% of the population is murder victims”.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
Edit: formatting
Edit: 0.233 murders per 100,000 residents (in 2022) = 126,146,099 (pop of Japan as per the 2020 census) x 0.233 ÷ 100,000 = 294 murders total. The wiki page says the actual count is 289, so the error is probably due the drop in population since the 2020 census.
Your math is still bad though.
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But its not 230 murders per 100,000. It’s 289 murders total, for the entire population that year.
0.233 out of 100,000 were murdered.
That’s 0.000233% of 100,000 people.The same table on the Wiki page says that the actual count was 289 murders in 2022. Japan had a population of over 126 million in 2020. If we used your formula, that would mean there were over 289,000 murders in Japan between 2021 and 2022. See below:
230 per 100,000 = 126,146,099 x 230 ÷ 100,000 = 290,136 murders total.
Whereas, 0.233 per 100,000 = 126,146,099 x 0.233 ÷ 100,000 = 294 murders total.
2+2=4, simple maths. But 290k murders per year would explain the population drop, lol.
It turns out that none of those number nor my own numbers are correct. I don’t know where these wikis got their info from but the actual total number of homicides in Japan for the year 2022 was 853. That’s for the whole country.
There are multiple sources for that number but here is one:
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01860/
Either road, they are doing far better than the United States.
0.007‱?
Fuck proselytizing religions. No, I won’t join your stupid fucking cult. Fuck right off.
Do you want to talk about Satan?
We enjoy sex, responsible drug use and rock and roll.
All hail Satan!
Are the uh… maggoty cum farts optional or?
They’ll grow on you.
That is part of the concern, yes.
Anybody who rebels against the biblical god has the right idea.
I’m listening…
Fuck all religion. No I don’t want to reject reality to play make believe.
Naw, my religion is cool. I’m a Satanist. We accept reality as revealed by science.
Hail Satan!
Jokes aside, it’s good to see more Satanists out in the wild. TST has been doing great shit, and I’m all here for it.
Science disagrees with consensus reality.
Do what?..
So you genuinely believe Satan exists and has influence in the world? Where does he live under the Earths mantle?
Because that is entirely at odds with everything we know about reality.
Many, if not most, modern satanists are atheistic satanists. Satan is merely a convenient bit of Judeo-Christian mythology/imagery used to irritate Christians.
While I hesitate to recommend The Satanic Temple due to the actions of one of the founders, their “7 Fundamental Tenets” are a pretty great basis for an atheistic worldview.
Edit: normally, I’d link some resources, but it’s late, I’m on mobile, and search engines exist, so… Sorry, not sorry.
I’m a Satanist. We accept reality as revealed by science.
His response answered your question. Science doesn’t believe in Satan, thus he himself doesn’t believe Satan exists. For the record, most Satanists don’t actually believe in anything “supernatural”. Read more about Satanism here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism#Contemporary_tendencies_and_groups
So he’s not religious and doesn’t actually believe in Satan?
It’s like atheism with extra useless steps.
Sort of.
The satanic Temple chose their name because of the literal meaning of the word “Satan”, which may be the name of the big bad from religious types but actually means “adversary” when directly translated from Hebrew.
Atheists can take all forms, and by no means do I assume what any individual believes, but by the very definition, atheists can be extremely passive in their belief, or more accurately, non-belief. The atheists I know are usually very live and let live, after a while because they realize that arguing the point with religious folks usually doesn’t get you anywhere.
TST is dedicated to the fair use and representation of religions in society. They’re obviously based in the USA where there is a separation of church and state, at least, there’s supposed to be. So the state cannot show favoritism to any religion, but they often do. Usually with monuments like a depiction of the ten commandments placed on city owned land. This is a real and fairly recent issue that TST got involved on. They asked that a statue of Baphomet be placed on the same city owned land, forcing the city into a position of either allowing the statue to be placed along side the very Christian ten commandments, or admit that they are favoring Christianity, which they basically cannot do because it’s a violation of their station.
Satanists are a bit more active, by default, than atheists. Not to say atheists are inactive or lazy, it’s just that Satanists have a very specific target.
Look it’s cool that you’re in a philosophical moral club, but don’t go around defending religion by calling yourself a religion and saying ‘look at me as an example of a good religion’ when you don’t actually hold religious/supranatural beliefs.
And if you do hold such beliefs, don’t claim you accept reality.
Trolling the politicians who try to violate the separation of church and state isn’t useless.
Being a Satanist while identifying as an atheist is often associated with a specific philosophical stance rather than a belief in a literal Satan or supernatural entities. In this context, Satanism can be seen as a symbolic representation of individualism, self-empowerment, and rebellion against traditional religious norms. Here are some key points to consider:
- Atheistic Satanism: Many atheistic Satanists do not believe in a literal Satan but use the figure as a symbol of freedom, personal responsibility, and the questioning of authority.
- Moral Framework: For these individuals, Satanism can serve as a moral compass that emphasizes personal ethics, critical thinking, and the pursuit of knowledge. It often promotes values such as individualism, self-determination, and hedonism, but within a framework that encourages personal responsibility.
- Philosophical Approach: This form of Satanism is more about philosophy and lifestyle than theology. It focuses on human experience and the material world rather than spiritual or supernatural beliefs.
- Cultural Critique: Atheistic Satanism can also be a critique of organized religion, particularly Christianity, and may advocate for secularism and the separation of church and state.
In summary, being a Satanist while being an atheist often reflects a philosophical and ethical stance rather than a theological one, emphasizing personal empowerment and a rejection of traditional religious dogma.
TL;DR Atheism simply means you don’t believe in a god. It makes no other claims. Satanism encompasses more than that simple perspective.
It’s pretty commendable that you’re trying to educate that person. I wouldn’t have even bothered since it’s clear that they’re asking questions in bad faith.
Paraphrasing it:
So you believe in Satan? That’s stupid.
And
So you’re atheist? With useless extra steps, too.
Here are some key points to consider
☝️🤖
You might want to look up what The Satanic Temple actually believes.
n00b doesnt understand Satanism
I can hear your avatar.
It’s part of capitalism as well.
Fuck that too!
We dont need to improve the world, we just need to get you to say you to validate our taste in shitty fiction. That’s more important.
Wait, wait, wait.
Talk all the shit you want about how people twist the meanings of the book/religion, there are some very good stories in the Bible.
No there aren’t.
but the stories! The poetry!
They’re not that good, though. Some of them sorta stand up as mediocre. Compare them to an anthology by, like, le’guinn, known more as a novelist who could maintain consistent characters plot themes and tone for the length of a fucking novel. You know who fucking wins.
Yeah that whole Lot plotline is pretty crazy.
Christianity is a vile, violent, and horribly divisive religion. Its also a pedophilia cult.
huh.
What’s going on with the math here? Percent per 100’000?
That’s what you have to use because they have fewer people per capita. It’s basic math.
But usually, you have total numbers per 100k and that’s the percents. % is parts of hundred, no matter what.
Whoosh
Yes, there just shouldn’t be a percentage sign. It’s not a percentage. The value is probably around 5 something per 100k.
I was really wondering about that phrasing. So weird.
Exactly, the post is meaningless. Unless anyone believes there are fewer than 3000 homeless people in Japan lol.
The world is full of people like you, who know NOTHING about a topic yet feel compelled to make false statements about it without doing even the most basic of internet searches to educate themselves lol
can’t even be bothered to do a simple search huh?
According to a January 2025 survey, it is.
That “study” has been ridiculed because they only checked for people living in certain places like public parks. Other estimates run anywhere from 10k to over 100k.
Do you have a link to those estimates?
Yes, google how many homeless people in Japan.
edit: excuse me but why the douchevotes? That’s exactly what I did. Do I have to redo it and copypaste a link to the result because somebody doesn’t feel like typing in the search themselves? Wow.
Source: Google it bro
That’s exactly what I did. If they do it they’ll see the same results I saw. I’m not aware of any sort of entitlement that demands handing people links to simple search results.
To be fair there is also the suicide rate.
Also what the fuck were they expecting, Japan to be some Christian paradise?
First time I’ve actually taken the time to look it up. People talk about Japans high suicide rate but apparently it’s not that much higher than the United States? So less murder, more food availability and just a slightly higher suicide rate?
When people don’t have murder, homeless, ramped theft, they need some boogie man metric for the crier to report on.
And for Japan, the marginally higher suicide rate along with low population growth are it.
Of course the low rate of Christianity as well.
Here’s another in case you didn’t know. People always talk about working in Japan to be brutal and constantly work long hours the entire week.
Data says otherwise. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country
Also what the fuck were they expecting, Japan to be some Christian paradise?
Portugal has entered the chat
Portugal would like to know Japan’s location. And keep it a secret from other countries for years.
They probably just saw Silence and think it’s a result of the persecution of Christians back in the 1600s.
To those prepared to reply with “but that’s not what it is”, I’m not saying it is.
Your unhoused numbers are wrong. Those are the official “sleeping on the streets” numbers, which is not the same thing. First because they’re official, and therefore almost certainly undercounting, and second because they exclude all of the situations where people don’t have houses but are kinda not exactly in a cardboard box.
To be fair though it’s the ones living on the street that people choose to hate on as much as possible
I just woke up, but I don’t think the unit should be percentage per 100k people. Otherwise, I agree with the statement though.
Not only that, 07 > 5.7, I assume missing a decimal point. Their heart is in the right place, their keyboard is all over the place.
Probably this person studied in america /j
Yes am I unaware of a strange way of displaying these metrics or did they just add the % sign for no reason?
i’m pretty confident (p<0.05) they just added a % for no real reason.
Judging from the rest of the post, the person probably has issues with maths.
Yeah, that seemed needlessly confusing to me too.
I guess not having many Jesus cult members helps
Apparently the moonies don’t help things.
The weird thing is that they’re supposed to be Korean, and they’re historically not fond of one another. But then, anything to make a
buckyen.
Should be called MJGA
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save me jeeeeeeeeeebus
07%/100000
5/7 with rice
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Evangelical brain rot
Hey, we at least tried to convert them, but nobody congratulates Portugal for that. 😔 😭
If anyone’s interested in that time period, James Clavell’s excellent Shogun novel is set a few decades into the process. (Before the shogunate rose into power, banned Christianity and massacred tens of thousands of Christian converts 😐)
correlation is not causation, the reason why they have less murders is probably not Christianity (for example they have way stricter gun control)
edit: after rereading the post I don’t think the other person is tryng to argue that Christianity is causing murder and whatnot, so ignore above paragraph
also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs
Also, Christianity was banned for quite awhile.
A Japanese guy used a 3d printed gun to undermine a christian cult in Japan.
The Moonies are so wacky that calling them “Christian” is a stretch. Definitely not aligned with the Nicene creed, and I think once the founder/prophet claims some sort of divinity it’s better to refer to as Christian derived.
You know what, fair enough.
This part of ‘what your bible says about murder and poor people’ makes it sound like the writer of the response believes it’s causational but i think they were just offended and not trying to make a scientifically sound argument. And i would understand that.
It’s almost racist because of how the first post makes Christianity sound like something superior. As if the Japanese being different in their believe makes them less.
also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs
Exactly this. Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others where as Americans are by many people seen as loud and obnoxious (also positive things, but i’m not trying to make a comparison between two cultures as a whole), making this comment about Japanese adoption of Christianity not only come across as ignorant but also very arrogant.
It’s more a statement of the state of Christianity in the United States, where in a lot of congregations the actual teachings of Jesus have taken a back seat to gun culture and right wing politics.
She’s saying that the Japanese are better Christians than Americans, despite not even being Christians.
“Beat your swords into plowshares,” says Isaiah. Yet, here we are, with congregations of people who feel that “there’s nothing wrong with being a soldier.”
God’s first commandment? Yeah apparently that doesn’t mean shit if the other party is a stinky brownskin. I do not see a legal addendum on the Ten Commandments.
“1. Thou Shalt Not Kill ***†”
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I’m with you, but you’re talking about something like the 6th commandment depending on how you’re counting
Edit: the first one is the “you shall have no other gods before me” bit, with the lines drawn for exactly where each commandment starts and stops drawn in different places for different factions, but I digress. I still agree with your point and I’ll stop typing more now.
So about the first commandment. The idiots have trump. I won’t talk about revelations, because how many hundreds of years nerd to go by to write “yawehs” word.
Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan
Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems: https://archive.ph/0IoIQ
Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
Of course still not as bad as the US, but I don’t it is because of religion, it is more because of the two party system. Look at Singapore 18% Christians and they don’t have that many problems.
In the end I believe most problems in all countries are because of human nature, not religion. Religion is just one of the excuses they use for the horrible things they commit.
Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems
Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.
I am aware, but the difference in people’s view of Japanese people and people from US is astounding.
Agree with you and comment above, I don’t believe there is causation. Two system is surely not helping to make US peaceful.
Yes the US need to get rid of the two party system. These years it is basically choosing who is less horrible than electing a good president. Both parties are corrupt. Japan also need to fix their laws they are vey misogynistic and racist, they also need to fix the work culture. No one in japan is having kids due their toxic work culture.
Japan really knows how to do PR, they make people think they are great, when in reality for many people Japan is an awful place to live in. Tourist is fine, but living there is horrible from what I heard.
From reddit on racism in japan, can’t confirm if it is true, but won’t be suprised it is. https://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1diaccv/_/
Admittedly, ignorance respects no particular faith. That said, Christianity does seem to have quite the stranglehold on it.
That’s because you see more of them. Or at least what passes for christian in the US. Rest assured that the others are more than keeping pace.
I don’t view christianity as a real religion tbh. Maybe way back when it was but nowadays it’s just a way for fragile suburbanites to justify their victim complex and bigotry.
That’s how most “real” religions are.
Oh yeah 100%. I was just going in on Christianity specifically since that was what was mentioned.
I would specify that the views and practices of modern religious have probably diverged to a very likely large extent from that of their founding predecessors, but I’d also imagine those same predecessors also used religion to justify their victim complexes and bigotries. The two groups, separated by many thousands of years, seem to have much the same underlying mentalities.
That’s only because you live in America.
